Nickelodeon dropped by some cable and satellite services

[Ubiq]

I do puzzle what channels you consider as being more deserving channel cause CN,Disney, and HUB (at the moment) aren't.

Now hold on, Disney has actually been reaching out to people who used to work for Cartoon Network and has been willing to give some fairly odd shows a chance that they probably wouldn't get anywhere else right now and probably wouldn't have gotten from Disney Channel a few years ago. Marvel Animations' problems are Marvel's fault, not Disney's. They still have a heavy reliance on live action tween comedies, but as far as their approach to animated shows go, they have a lot more sensible approach than the other two members of the Big Three.

Cartoon Network has a lot of potential squandered by the idiots running it.

The Hub, on the other hand, seems pretty receptive to what their fanbase wants and does a really nice job of picking up old shows that fit right in with their existing lineup. Sure, it's a network that exists to promote toylines, but it also understands how to actually promote and schedule its shows in such a way that it actually benefits those brands. Like taboo said, Nickelodeon doesn't really seem to have any idea as to market Korra and Cartoon Network is, again, ran by idiots. It says a lot when The Hub is running a Batman The Animated Series marathon this Friday when The Dark Knight Rises is released into theaters and Cartoon Network apparently isn't doing anything with any of the numerous Batman shows that they still have the rights to.

[taboo]

Here's a gif, just for you.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/1359818_o.gif

Cartoon Network is, again, ran by idiots.

lol i saw a clip of that kid from LEVEL UP at comicon yesterday, and he was like 'we're on cartoon network because we are so animated... like our movements are more animated than people's in real life'



i think CN is doing some good things though. Their lineup is a lot more watchable lately than in recent years. Adventure Time and Regular Show aside, Gumball is pretty cool in an artistic sense, they brought back Toonami and are doing some cool stuff with Adult Swim, and i like that friday night thing with Brak (even though i dont really watch it). i also really approve of the DC nation block


it could be, and has been, a lot worse

[Ubiq]

i think CN is doing some good things though. Their lineup is a lot more watchable lately than in recent years. Adventure Time and Regular Show aside, Gumball is pretty cool in an artistic sense, they brought back Toonami and are doing some cool stuff with Adult Swim, and i like that friday night thing with Brak (even though i dont really watch it). i also really approve of the DC nation block

it could be, and has been, a lot worse

That's really what makes their situation so frustrating though; there's a lot of potential there, but they tend to squander it. They can crank out good shows seemingly on a whim, but lose interest in them almost immediately. Their scheduling is terrible since they'll random throw a six month hiatus in between episodes of a show and either cancel them after one season or take three or four years to air two seasons. Even then, they have a tendency to run through a bunch of episodes in a hurry so that they can get rid of them, bury the show in an insane timeslot that guarantees its ratings collapse, or just quit airing the show altogether. Then you have things like Level Up, which gets a huge amount of push from the network and still gets the kind of ratings that got Generator Rex cancelled. Level Up gets another season and keeps airing in primetime though because it's a vanity project.

[taboo]

i think what really is wrong with CN is that, somewhere in the interworkings of things (probably higher up), there are a few people who either don't like cartoons or are still on the business model where you buy a certain amount of shows and then replay them over and over

the people that listen to pitches and find the shows probably have a better understanding of quality, but are under pressure to appease their idiot overlords, so while they get stuff like Level Up, they'll let in an Adventure Time once in awhile

but then the idiot overlords will become aware of a 'problem', either probably production costs, ratings, merch sales, or maybe even questionable content, and will can the show


level up, and other live action shows will stick around despite low ratings simply because of lower production costs

[Green_vs_Red]

It says a lot when The Hub is running a Batman The Animated Series marathon this Friday when The Dark Knight Rises is released into theaters and Cartoon Network apparently isn't doing anything with any of the numerous Batman shows that they still have the rights to.

What other shows do they have the rights to other than the Brave and The Bold?

[Ubiq]

i think what really is wrong with CN is that, somewhere in the interworkings of things (probably higher up), there are a few people who either don't like cartoons or are still on the business model where you buy a certain amount of shows and then replay them over and over

A lot of it is corporate groupthink; the current people in charge have the mindset that the only way to be successful is to copy the other guys. Unfortunately for them, Nickelodeon and Disney Channel each have several decades of experience at mixing live action and animation while Cartoon Network built up a fanbase based on the notion of all animation. The fact that the people who watch Cartoon Network just don't seem all that interested in live action shows doesn't really carry weight at all. It's not an issue of what they want so much as what they should want. Nickelodeon looked at what people have wanted in the past and flooded their schedule with it to the point that their network has stagnated, Disney gives people what they want along with similar material, but offers other stuff in the hopes that they'll like it as well, and Cartoon Network apparently sees that something is hot and goes all in for a month or two until they lose interest in it.

One of the best examples of something that Cartoon Network seems to think that people want regardless of any sign that they actually wanted it is The Hall of Game Awards Show. Despite absolutely ridiculous amounts of promotion compared to anything else on the schedule and the major cost of producing such a show, the two shows have managed to get less than the average ratings on a Friday for the first and around the same as a normal Monday night for the second. Despite that, they'll probably have another one next year.

the people that listen to pitches and find the shows probably have a better understanding of quality, but are under pressure to appease their idiot overlords, so while they get stuff like Level Up, they'll let in an Adventure Time once in awhile

but then the idiot overlords will become aware of a 'problem', either probably production costs, ratings, merch sales, or maybe even questionable content, and will can the show

Adventure Time baffles me really; it's a hit, but there have been plenty of hits that Cartoon Network quickly lost interest in and that fell off the map as a consequence. It's not just that they could merchandise it either; there were other shows that they could have do so for (or even did), but that they lost interest in well before merchandise appeared or totally failed to promote when it did. Shows with much less questionable content at that; Adventure Time does stuff that Cartoon Network definitely wouldn't have let shows get away with a few years ago. Same for The Regular Show.

level up, and other live action shows will stick around despite low ratings simply because of lower production costs

You'd think that lower ratings would offset those lower costs at a certain point though especially if they're actually heavily pushing that show instead of something that is more successful. It doesn't help that they have limited timeslots in primetime either and have to juggle their lineup around every so often to make sure that they have room for their shows. They could probably stick a repeat of Adventure Time or Regular Show in that same timeslot and get half again to double the ratings of Level Up.

What other shows do they have the rights to other than the Brave and The Bold?

I'm pretty sure that they still have the rights to the older stuff (Superfriends era and earlier), The Batman, The Brave and the Bold, and a whole bunch of the DTV films. There are plenty of the latter that have never aired on Cartoon Network.

[Yonkou255]

Live + Same Day Ratings Kids Cable Network Averages (000) for Thursday, July 12, 2012, 6am-11pm, ranked by K2-11:
DISNEY CHANNEL: K2-11 1329; K6-11 863; TWEENS 9-14 655
CARTOON NETWORK: K2-11 790; K6-11 523; TWEENS 9-14 425
NICKELODEON: K2-11 607; K6-11 385; TWEENS 9-14 345
DISNEY XD: K2-11 330; K6-11 271; TWEENS 9-14 253
NICKTOONS: K2-11 69; K6-11 46; TWEENS 9-14 44
Source: MTVN Research from Nielsen Media Research Data

[Ubiq]

What were the numbers for the Thursday before they lost DirecTV?

[Yonkou255]

Live + Same Day Ratings Kids Cable Network Averages (000) for Wednesday, July 4, 2012, 6am-11pm, ranked by K2-11:
DISNEY CHANNEL: K2-11 989; K6-11 706; TWEENS 9-14 570
NICKELODEON: K2-11 836; K6-11 525; TWEENS 9-14 380
CARTOON NETWORK: K2-11 518; K6-11 358; TWEENS 9-14 264
DISNEY XD: K2-11 194; K6-11 150; TWEENS 9-14 111
NICKTOONS: K2-11 75; K6-11 47; TWEENS 9-14 43
Source: MTVN Research from Nielsen Media Research Data

Live + Same Day Ratings Kids Cable Network Averages (000) for Thursday, July 5, 2012, 6am-11pm, ranked by K2-11:
DISNEY CHANNEL: K2-11 1067; K6-11 737; TWEENS 9-14 615
NICKELODEON: K2-11 929; K6-11 606; TWEENS 9-14 476
CARTOON NETWORK: K2-11 744; K6-11 528; TWEENS 9-14 447
DISNEY XD: K2-11 259; K6-11 207; TWEENS 9-14 182
NICKTOONS: K2-11 101; K6-11 68; TWEENS 9-14 61
Source: MTVN Research from Nielsen Media Research Data

Live + Same Day Ratings Kids Cable Network Averages (000) for Friday, July 6, 2012, 6am-11pm, ranked by K2-11:
DISNEY CHANNEL: K2-11 1200; K6-11 830; TWEENS 9-14 661
NICKELODEON: K2-11 954; K6-11 613; TWEENS 9-14 506
CARTOON NETWORK: K2-11 648; K6-11 446; TWEENS 9-14 400
DISNEY XD: K2-11 237; K6-11 197; TWEENS 9-14 184
NICKTOONS: K2-11 80; K6-11 52; TWEENS 9-14 46
Source: MTVN Research from Nielsen Media Research Data

[Ubiq]

Losing DirecTV seems to have taken away roughly a third of their audience; most of which seems to have flipped over to Disney Channel instead.

[firecrouch]

You know honestly I do feel bad for DirecTV users. Viacom has major, popular channels, and if this company can cover the losses they just made through other means like syndication I don't think they'll care about all the viewers they've lost. Viacom needs to get its head out of its ass.

[Shift]

It seems Viacom's attempting to recruit viewers to save them by calling DirectTV and saying they want Nick (among other channels) back. Ironically, all the shows Nick's using to try and convince me turn me off to no end:



No more SpongeBob? No more Dora? No more iCarly, BTR or Victorious?! ...This is like a dream come true!!

But seriously, I may call just to try and save NickToons and CC, even if I gotta save SpongeBob to do it...

[Ubiq]

You know honestly I do feel bad for DirecTV users. Viacom has major, popular channels, and if this company can cover the losses they just made through other means like syndication I don't think they'll care about all the viewers they've lost. Viacom needs to get its head out of its ass.

The only one I really miss is Comedy Central and that's because of The Daily Show and Colbert Report. I can't even watch those online since Viacom has removed all of that material to get people to put pressure on DirecTV. I can just wait until WGN shows the latest Futurama episodes () and I don't really care about the other networks. Sure, I'd watch TeenNick for Hey Arnold! or Doug on occasion or NickToons for Rocko and such, but Korra was the only Nickelodeon show that I've actually made a point of watching these past few years. MTV is terrible these days and those new Beavis and Butthead episodes are the only thing I've watched on that network since Daria went off the air.

Frankly, DirecTV is doing a lot of people a favor by preventing them from watching ridiculous trash like Jersey Shore and Teen Mom.

It seems Viacom's attempting to recruit viewers to save them by calling DirectTV and saying they want Nick (among other channels) back. Ironically, all the shows Nick's using to try and convince me turn me off to no end:

That's true of viewers in general since Nick's audience has dropped considerably over the past six months. iCarly and Victorious were only getting half the numbers Korra got towards the end of the latter's season.

[Yonkou255]

I love the Hub.

[Rebecky_Mo]

Did the The Hub seriously just bring Kevin Conroy, Adrienne Barbeau, Efrem Zimbalist Jr. (who is 93 freaking years old, BTW), and Henry Silva back together? For a Batman: TAS marathon commercial?

...Dammit, why can't Canada get The Hub?!?! D<

[RobbyBevard]

Did the The Hub seriously just bring Kevin Conroy, Adrienne Barbeau, Ef.... Oh, Rebecky already said it.

Yes. Yes they did. That's amazing.

I want that channel. It really seems to be what Cartoon Network was 12 years ago... before they started hating cartoons.

Dammit.

[LUFFY#1 fan]

They also got back the voice of Alf to do a commercial for them before, and I remember another actor came back to promote show, I forgot who though. Either way,t he Hub is amazing. Though I wouldn't consider it CN years ago by a long shot. I'd definitely say it's more Nick in the mid 90's Or roughly what a Saturday morning cartoon company would do if they got a channel 24/7 in the early 2000's...

[Sai-chan]

I like to think of Hub as a mixture of all the things on Disney Channel, Nick and CN that people loved as kids, only toy-based~

[firecrouch]

Yeah I haven't watched the Hub yet but I hear great things about it. Still when I've looked at the lineup it doesn't impress. I'm not interested in toy-based shows, but I think the Hub will diversify more going forward.

[Yonkou255]

Its because they need more revenue before they can buy newer and better shows.