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    the SH will eventually travel to Elbaf, where they'll find Mother Caramel, in her poop state, living with the power of homies, it all will start with Luffy poking it with a stick, like in the Dr Slump series.
    living poop Mother Caramel will cover the grandma role in the ship.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabra View Post
    What is her special connection with Luffy?

    Alternatively, if you think that the special intimate moment happens later for some reason: where did Luffy show interest in Carrot so far? Specifically Luffy.


    Honest question btw, because I know you guys are being constantly ridiculed. This is not my intention.
    That moment does not exist and apparently for some reason itīs supposed to happen in the possibly most convoluted arc with tons of far more important characters featured

    Luffy has accepted her as companion, he never showed any speck of interest though, heck his first statement on Zou regarding the minks tells you enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    That moment does not exist and apparently for some reason itīs supposed to happen in the possibly most convoluted arc with tons of far more important characters featured
    Ŋ\_(ツ)_/Ŋ People are imagining complicated narratives in Wano for their favorite characters all the time, what's wrong about predicting something for a character that for a change is actually related to the storyline of the arc?

    No, seriously, not digging this. We know how big and ambitious this arc is going to be. We know that Oda will put everything he wants to tell here, because the arc will be very long and epic. So it's a question of whether he wants to tell or not, not some sudden random assumption about the story being so convoluted that he won't be able to give a certain character the spotlight. What is so funny about this is that you use it only to deny the chances for Carrot to be relevant to the narration, not everybody else's.

    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    Luffy has accepted her as companion, he never showed any speck of interest though, heck his first statement on Zou regarding the minks tells you enough
    His first statement on Zou is that kind of convenient barrier you put while absolutely ignoring everything else brought later like him basically forming an alliance with the mink tribe.

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    I'd give some credit to the Carrot-people for at least coming up with a role for her.
    Hancock-people would argue shit ton of garbage as to why she was 'a given' without ever thinking of any specific role she'd be fulfilling.

    But still, with Chopper around, any other talking animal is so much out of the game.








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    Yeah believe me I am not part of the Carrot fan club but those guys have it easy.
    That one crew nest argument might seem too simple, but Oda has never made anything more complicated than that for the other crewmates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugeeking View Post
    Ŋ\_(ツ)_/Ŋ People are imagining complicated narratives in Wano for their favorite characters all the time, what's wrong about predicting something for a character that for a change is actually related to the storyline of the arc?

    No, seriously, not digging this. We know how big and ambitious this arc is going to be. We know that Oda will put everything he wants to tell here, because the arc will be very long and epic. So it's a question of whether he wants to tell or not, not some sudden random assumption about the story being so convoluted that he won't be able to give a certain character the spotlight. What is so funny about this is that you use it only to deny the chances for Carrot to be relevant to the narration, not everybody else's.


    His first statement on Zou is that kind of convenient barrier you put while absolutely ignoring everything else brought later like him basically forming an alliance with the mink tribe.
    People can imagine what they want, they are free to do so, passing it as legitimate, reasonable and likely prediction on the other hand? Thatīs whatīs wrong about it.

    Yep exactly, something Oda has been excited for, something he really wants to draw and tell, and this is also the guy who literally points out how drawing new stuff or showing the audience new and exciting things is what makes this all worthwhile.
    How this would translate to heavily feature a character he has not really concentrated on, with one exception, with 110 chapters since her introduction.

    Him forming an alliance with the minks does not have anything to do with the individual character that is Carrot, so completely misplaced statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    People can imagine what they want, they are free to do so, passing it as legitimate, reasonable and likely prediction on the other hand? Thatīs whatīs wrong about it.

    Yep exactly, something Oda has been excited for, something he really wants to draw and tell, and this is also the guy who literally points out how drawing new stuff or showing the audience new and exciting things is what makes this all worthwhile.
    How this would translate to heavily feature a character he has not really concentrated on, with one exception, with 110 chapters since her introduction.

    Him forming an alliance with the minks does not have anything to do with the individual character that is Carrot, so completely misplaced statement.
    Well, regarding your last phrase, they are different quotes for a reason.

    As for the rest. It applies to you as well. So... agreed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugeeking View Post
    What was Brook's special connection with Luffy? It's Laboon. The only connection they shared at the point of joining is that the Straw Hats met Laboon for a short while. The one who took his shadow back wasn't even Luffy, it was Zoro.

    What was Franky's special connection with Luffy? Fighting against a common enemy? So did Carrot. Luffy looked forward to Franky joining because he was a friend and a great shipwright. Franky thought that Luffy could perhaps be the man who navigated with his biggest creation. So basically, Franky saw potential in Luffy to follow his own dream and Luffy was okay with that.

    What was Sanji's special connection with Luffy? If there is one moment of true connection, it is the "spear of determination" discourse of Zeff. That moment when Sanji could see Luffy as an inspiration to reach his own dream. This reminds me a damn lot of Pedro telling Carrot that Luffy would be the one to bring the Dawn. Same narrative tactic.

    What was Robin's special connection with Luffy? She saved Luffy and Luffy paid it back by saving her. The end. Even Luffy acted like it wasn't anything out of the ordinary.

    What was Zoro's special connection with Luffy? He was saved by him and they both fought against a common enemy, after that they decided to form a crew and respect each other's dreams.

    You get my points here. The special connections sometimes are paper thin and sometimes they don't even exist, they are just the result of sharing screen time, being in good terms, fighting a common enemy and respecting their goals. All of them are pretty basic and all of them have been already brought not only in Carrot but in lots of other characters that were never fit for nakama.

    Of course, as the series grows their connections get more emphasis and become more special, like how Zoro and Luffy didn't know each other at all when he first joined and now are soulmates, or how Sanji was just vaguely inspired by Luffy and now they had this significant moment in Whole Cake.


    Well, some of the SHs never joined through Luffy showing interest. Robin joined because she decided to when Luffy had probably forgotten about her xD. Franky is a quirky case because it's not that Luffy was against, I think he was very welcoming, but since he was basically asked to recruit him we didn't get that moment of him showing an actual interest. And for the entire W7 and half of EL he was just antagonistic towards his very existence due to what happened with Usopp. They ended up in good terms but that was it.

    Then again, I realize this is a tough point. Luffy has never shown interest in Carrot joining. The problem is if this is an impediment. If Carrot said: "hey I want to join the crew", would Luffy say "nope"? And it makes sense to question this scenario this way because Carrot is the one who is learning about Luffy and what he represents, not the contrary. For Luffy, the minks are cool people and great allies; for Carrot and by extension the entirety of the mink tribe, Luffy potentially represents something symbolic and transcendental to their future. And the whole narrative of Carrot learning about this transcendence does exist, if only due to Pedro's sacrifice.
    For someone so against generalization, and to say that the special connections between the SH and Luffy are paper-thin, it is a bit of a double standard.

    Brook's connection with Luffy, before immediately inviting him on the crew, being a musician, it was due to Luffy's decision to help Brook, that the latter was able to recover his shadow. Brook os a bad example because Luffy showed interwst in him from the get go, and decided that he would make him join by helping him get what belonged to him, in other words ending his 50 year long drifting.

    Luffy was already thinking of asking Franky to join from the moment he heard that Franky built his ship. When he was asked to tale Franky, he said: "I was already thinking of doing that". It was not only fighting together and helping save Robin, it was building his future ship that clinched it for Franky. Ship = special connection.

    Sanji's connection goes beyond that, yes, Luffy acknowledges Sanji as a dreamer, also kind in how he treated Gin. But Luffy also saved his father and home.

    For Robin, she saved Luffy twice, once in the desert, another one with the poison. Maybe saving each othwrs life is a small, paper-thin connection. I see it otherwise. Robin accusses Luffy of robbing her of a place to die, that's why he accepts her, as he feels responsible for it. Which then later own culminates with her expressing she wants to live. That scene in Lobby, is much stronger, because, us the readers and Luffy recognize Robin's dark past.

    Again with making life-debts trivial. Luffy and Zoro's connection is because Luffy saved his life, but morever, it is the challenge they both representto each other. When Zoro announces his dream, Luffy challenges him by saying that is the least Zoro has to be to travel with Luffy. It is not mockery or fake praise. Luffy completely acknowledges the dream. Just see how much he had to hold back when he saw Mihawk ridiculing Zoro.

    So all these connections are there. And Luffy is actively part of that connection. Breaking Brook's solitude, breaking through Robin's suicidal attitude, honoring Zoro's pride and decisions.

    That is without going with Usopp, Nami or Chopper which connections are evident and self explanatory.

    If Carrot and Luffy had that scene about Pedro's death instead of Sanji, that could work towards that connection.
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    The whole reason that scene happemed with sanji was because brook said he was sleeping downstairs on the sunny. The scene luffy had with carrot was immediately before he dragged katakuri off the boat and after the explosion. I still thinks its nice but it's not enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monquito View Post
    I'd give some credit to the Carrot-people for at least coming up with a role for her.
    Hancock-people would argue shit ton of garbage as to why she was 'a given' without ever thinking of any specific role she'd be fulfilling.

    But still, with Chopper around, any other talking animal is so much out of the game.
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    ooh, it only works if you're into furries.








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    Fish arent animals, nobody feels bad when a random fish dies.

    But death flags are one of jinbe's gags so I bet he survives the whole story
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    Quote Originally Posted by K. Kira XXIII View Post
    For someone so against generalization, and to say that the special connections between the SH and Luffy are paper-thin, it is a bit of a double standard.

    Brook's connection with Luffy, before immediately inviting him on the crew, being a musician, it was due to Luffy's decision to help Brook, that the latter was able to recover his shadow. Brook os a bad example because Luffy showed interwst in him from the get go, and decided that he would make him join by helping him get what belonged to him, in other words ending his 50 year long drifting.

    Luffy was already thinking of asking Franky to join from the moment he heard that Franky built his ship. When he was asked to tale Franky, he said: "I was already thinking of doing that". It was not only fighting together and helping save Robin, it was building his future ship that clinched it for Franky. Ship = special connection.

    Sanji's connection goes beyond that, yes, Luffy acknowledges Sanji as a dreamer, also kind in how he treated Gin. But Luffy also saved his father and home.

    For Robin, she saved Luffy twice, once in the desert, another one with the poison. Maybe saving each othwrs life is a small, paper-thin connection. I see it otherwise. Robin accusses Luffy of robbing her of a place to die, that's why he accepts her, as he feels responsible for it. Which then later own culminates with her expressing she wants to live. That scene in Lobby, is much stronger, because, us the readers and Luffy recognize Robin's dark past.

    Again with making life-debts trivial. Luffy and Zoro's connection is because Luffy saved his life, but morever, it is the challenge they both representto each other. When Zoro announces his dream, Luffy challenges him by saying that is the least Zoro has to be to travel with Luffy. It is not mockery or fake praise. Luffy completely acknowledges the dream. Just see how much he had to hold back when he saw Mihawk ridiculing Zoro.

    So all these connections are there. And Luffy is actively part of that connection. Breaking Brook's solitude, breaking through Robin's suicidal attitude, honoring Zoro's pride and decisions.

    That is without going with Usopp, Nami or Chopper which connections are evident and self explanatory.

    If Carrot and Luffy had that scene about Pedro's death instead of Sanji, that could work towards that connection.
    And those are the emotional bonds that have been developed either quickly or over time, and thatīs something that could be potentially developed with Carrot as well either in the scenes shared before the joining or throughout the next arcs.

    But we are not even at that stage for Carrot yet, far more interesting is whether Luffy even shows any kind of interest in her as a character, fighter and so forth because that happened with each Strawhat so far, in their first meeting with Luffy some kind of basis was developed in which Luffy was invested in.
    That basis took different forms, admittedly, but it was still concentrated on the respective Strawhat and Luffy himself.

    In contrast to that, we have Luffy putting Carrot aside, even concentrating more on her companion at the time, Wanda, while completely denying them specific features and any individual speck of interest.

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    I like making porcentage charts of characters likelyness of joining.

    few weeks ago it was

    Bonney 70%
    Pudding 65%
    Momo 0%
    Carrot -10%

    But now that Bonney seems to have a connection with the revos, it feels redundant with Robin also being famous por pirating and getting along with the Revs, so it just went down to look like this now.

    Pudding 65%
    Bonney 30%
    Momo 0%
    Carrot -10%

    Pretty sure Wano is gon give me someone else to add, but for now Pudding is leading again.








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    Based on the last dozens of pages it's more like Carrot-100%, Jimbe 50%

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    Quote Originally Posted by K. Kira XXIII View Post
    For someone so against generalization, and to say that the special connections between the SH and Luffy are paper-thin, it is a bit of a double standard.
    Hmm, no. It isn't.

    First, do not put words that I never said. If I say that the connections at the time for certain Straw Hats and Luffy were paper-thin and basic ally level, I am referring to these SHs, not to the entirety of the collective. And I think it's very clear when I say this because I'm mentioning specific examples.

    Heck, isn't my point actually against trying to group the whole SHs in an effective generalization?

    Anyway, I do understand that I may be selling short some of these cases.

    Quote Originally Posted by K. Kira XXIII View Post
    Brook's connection with Luffy, before immediately inviting him on the crew, being a musician, it was due to Luffy's decision to help Brook, that the latter was able to recover his shadow. Brook os a bad example because Luffy showed interwst in him from the get go, and decided that he would make him join by helping him get what belonged to him, in other words ending his 50 year long drifting.
    Brook is a good or bad example depending on which side you look. For Luffy, Brook is a cool guy who happened to know Laboon. For Brook, Luffy ended up being the key to ending his 50 year long drifting, only after the events of Thriller Bark (he left the ship as soon as they entered the territory, not expecting Luffy to help him). So yes, Brook definitely grew a connection with Luffy. But they had talked before. They were friends and had good terms. And Luffy had asked him to join before this connection was even established.

    Quote Originally Posted by K. Kira XXIII View Post
    Luffy was already thinking of asking Franky to join from the moment he heard that Franky built his ship. When he was asked to tale Franky, he said: "I was already thinking of doing that". It was not only fighting together and helping save Robin, it was building his future ship that clinched it for Franky. Ship = special connection.
    If you sell it like that, of course. The ship however was a repay for his previous acts. Franky did have something much more deep and emotional in mind, but Luffy surely wasn't thinking of it as a bond or a deep connection. He was grateful. Which was more than enough to justify growing a further liking to him and wanting him in the crew. No need for a special connection.

    Quote Originally Posted by K. Kira XXIII View Post
    Sanji's connection goes beyond that, yes, Luffy acknowledges Sanji as a dreamer, also kind in how he treated Gin. But Luffy also saved his father and home.
    And how is this different from Carrot? If Pedro's words resonate, how will she think about Luffy? In similar terms Sanji did at the time? It's not the lack of a connection what I'm aiming at here, but the fact this is so one-sided. Luffy was an inspiration for Sanji, a vague one at the time but I'll give this. But was Sanji an inspiration for Luffy? Well, he liked his personality and his dreams.

    I guess one of the problems about talking of "special connections" here is that Luffy inspires more than he grows. One can easily see why the SHs follow Luffy, but why Luffy chooses the SHs... well, that's more problematic.

    Quote Originally Posted by K. Kira XXIII View Post
    For Robin, she saved Luffy twice, once in the desert, another one with the poison. Maybe saving each othwrs life is a small, paper-thin connection. I see it otherwise. Robin accusses Luffy of robbing her of a place to die, that's why he accepts her, as he feels responsible for it. Which then later own culminates with her expressing she wants to live. That scene in Lobby, is much stronger, because, us the readers and Luffy recognize Robin's dark past.
    No, he accepts her because he genuinely thinks she's actually not a bad person and is okay with her joining. Also, if you mention the scene in Enies Lobby, you are going a bit further beyond the recruitment. As said, the bonds of all the SHs strengthen as the narration advances. This is only natural. For Robin, there were plot reasons why this was made like that. The connection she felt wasn't evident by the narrative at the time of her joining, it had to be treated and explained much later. And then, we got the answers.

    Quote Originally Posted by K. Kira XXIII View Post
    Again with making life-debts trivial. Luffy and Zoro's connection is because Luffy saved his life, but morever, it is the challenge they both representto each other. When Zoro announces his dream, Luffy challenges him by saying that is the least Zoro has to be to travel with Luffy. It is not mockery or fake praise. Luffy completely acknowledges the dream. Just see how much he had to hold back when he saw Mihawk ridiculing Zoro.
    So basically they respect each other and Zoro only follows Luffy because he saved his life. That is not a deep connection at all. That is something they just solved in a two minute conversation.

    Zoro joined Luffy due to his blackmail ("If I save you, you join my crew"). Their connection became explicit later. In Shellstown, it was all about this basic level of understanding that Luffy has shared with many people through the series, crewmates or allies. Not about anything special. If you want to talk about later in the narrative, then of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by K. Kira XXIII View Post
    So all these connections are there. And Luffy is actively part of that connection. Breaking Brook's solitude, breaking through Robin's suicidal attitude, honoring Zoro's pride and decisions.
    Zoro's is absurdly basic and as said, shared by so many people in the series. Brook's happened only a long while after they met. Robin's had to be dealt with more seriously in a much later arc.

    Quote Originally Posted by K. Kira XXIII View Post
    If Carrot and Luffy had that scene about Pedro's death instead of Sanji, that could work towards that connection.
    Not sure if I agree. The problem is that despite Carrot had that scene with Sanji, she says "It was Pedro's decision", showing acknowledgement of why he did that. And Pedro's decision was explicitly connected to Luffy, because he told her that. So it doesn't really matter if Carrot is talking to Sanji or Luffy here, she knows very well who did his mentor die for. We have to see if there is some kind of connection in similar terms to the SHs to be grown from this, or at least if Luffy becomes some sort of inspiration for her, but it's not like there is not a plausible ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uniaka ikuzakas View Post
    Based on the last dozens of pages it's more like Carrot-100%, Jimbe 50%
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    Never have seen so much stars ;-)
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    Rereading my posts I think I am indeed selling short, specially Franky and Brook. The problem is, when I read the term special connection I associate it to something more two-sided. Luffy became obviously very special for Brook and that indeed qualifies as a special connection. But since it was far more one-sided than anything I didn't count it at first. That's my bad.

    I guess Luffy being the inspiration of instead of inspired by, which is the usual narrative, is what made me so reluctant and my points so incomprehensible.

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    Never have seen so much stars ;-)
    Can you give me some as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaworu View Post
    You mean Carrot, the Pirate Queen, true strongest creature in the world alongside Lor(D) of the Coast??
    Ya that's the one, the original miss forgettable. But honestly though any mink that isn't Pekoms just isn't worth paying all that much attention to. Pedro was alright too i guess,

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