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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonX View Post
    So they didn't get any money for the wall right? Isn't this working out towards the Democrats' favor? News articles only came out minutes ago.
    President John Kelly rejected Schumer's offer for wall (or vague "border security") funding and it was never implemented into the budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyan D. Funk View Post
    CHIP gets six years (which is six more years than I thought possible), people go back to work, and McConnell loses a hostage for February. This is as good as possible considering Schumer's negotiation partners.
    They made the exact same deal they could've made on Friday, when they were grandstanding about protecting the DREAMers. Except now they went through a news cycle where they were blamed for the shutdown AND for losing the standoff. And alienated the base.

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    Uncle Chuck really isn't a very good negotiator, or at least doesn't understand the most passionate parts of the Democratic base that well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwok View Post
    Uncle Chuck really isn't a very good negotiator, or at least doesn't understand the most passionate parts of the Democratic base that well.
    He was also stupid enough to openly say he is willing to pay for the wall. Now that is the LEAST that Republicans are going to demand in the next round of negotiations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    They made the exact same deal they could've made on Friday, when they were grandstanding about protecting the DREAMers.
    The deal on Friday by all accounts did not have the CHIP extension (which according to "dumbass left" twitter, was something the Republicans already wanted and the reason it was allowed to languish for months is because SHUT UP NEOLIBERAL). The Republicans now have a timer to deal with DACA or else the government gets shut down again - and McConnell publicly said that DACA would get a vote by then (before this deal, Turtle wouldn't even consider it), meaning he takes the hit if/when that vote never comes and we get Shutdown 2. The GOP just let their only other hostage go. The Dems lost nothing in this deal that wasn't already lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyan D. Funk View Post
    The Dems lost nothing in this deal that wasn't already lost.
    I don't know about that.

    I'm seeing(and agreeing with) plenty of distaste for Schumer's negotiation. I think he's failing to realize -unlike many of his colleagues- that thousands of Americans are in genuine panic over whether or not they may be deported, or have their families torn apart. This was his chance to make a hardline stance against the GOP. Oh how quickly he flipped on his #TrumpShutdown mentality. Is there good in this negotiation? Relatively. But simply pushing what is happening now back a little bit, while giving the GOP a chance to fight again over letting Dreamers stay.

    If he wasn't going to have a hardlined stance on this matter and demand an absolute answer to the question of the legality of Dreamers in this shut down, why the fuck should anyone take him seriously if it comes to this again?

    This is honestly likely good enough for Trump right now. You know that, while he'll still want to deport Dreamers, he's going to rationalize this negotiation as Schumer trying to save face after him and the rest of the Democrats caused a shutdown with everyone blaming them. It just gives more for his base to feed into. The far right is still going to maintain that Dreamers be deported. Many Republican Politicians have put the blame squarely on Democrats. With them simply pushing this issue back a bit so that they can keep the Government running, Schumer is pretty much telling the world "We really care about these people and their right to be here. But we got other shit to do, so we'll deal with this in a bit. But we'll be tougher on them next time, you'll see!".

    Chuck needs to stop being concerned about alienating people that buy into Trump's rhetoric and blame the Democrats for the shut down and actually back the thousands of people that desperately need this matter of their citizenship to be resolved. If the Democrats want any chance of winning in 2018 or even 2020, they need to actually resist the GOP and be just as much spanners in the works as the GOP was during Obama's term.

    Especially given the fact that this is one of the few times they actually can, given they are not the majority. If they're going to squander one of the few times they can actually negotiate something their would-be-voters want, why the hell do they think that people will have faith in them going forward?
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  7. #12527

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    I'm guessing it's as shitty as his imitation of a disabled journalist

    https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/s...97221608787969

    And of course they would

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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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