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    Quote Originally Posted by genocyber View Post
    We are living in the dark ages of the 21st century.
    I suppose every century has a "dark age" in it. Like the Great Depression in the 20th. But Jesus this feels worse than the depression.

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    I forget when exactly did the Great Depression happen? Was it in the 20s? I say it seems like those times, not due to lack of work in the USA as back then but because this Trumpist effect makes me wonder if this what Germany was like a decade or two before/during the time Hitler was first gaining power before the "Final Solution" was started.

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    I've got a question... we've covered that if Trump was impeached and removed that Pence would take over.
    But if this policy of separating families and putting children into "internment camps," is seen as a human right violation, could that effect the entire TRump admin, and remove Pence from succeeding Trump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katzztar View Post
    I forget when exactly did the Great Depression happen? Was it in the 20s? I say it seems like those times, not due to lack of work in the USA as back then but because this Trumpist effect makes me wonder if this what Germany was like a decade or two before/during the time Hitler was first gaining power before the "Final Solution" was started.

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    I've got a question... we've covered that if Trump was impeached and removed that Pence would take over.
    But if this policy of separating families and putting children into "internment camps," is seen as a human right violation, could that effect the entire TRump admin, and remove Pence from succeeding Trump?
    The depression was in the 30s. It was a combo of economic recession, a big Wall Street crash, and the "Dust Bowl", aka a super-drought in the midwest. It took nearly a decade to heal, and WWII was part of that as it gave people jobs to work on. As for Germany . . . . I don't really know what it was like between WWI and WWII.

    It's hard to say about the whole Trump cabinet and administration. Pence normally would just succeed Trump, but if he's convicted with a lot of crimes too he might be taken out just as quickly. In which case it would go to the Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan. Which while better than the fucking idiot right now, it's not much better.

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    A flyer given to parents separated from their children tells them how to locate their kids, not how to reunite with them

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    On Tuesday Homeland Security officials said they separated 2,342 children from their parents along the border between May 5 and June 9, reclassifying them as “Unaccompanied Alien Children”
    So they are outright lying there! Those children were not “unaccompanied" when they arrive, it was only after these bastards separated them from their families!

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    Under the Trump adminisation’s separation system, parents who are prosecuted and held in immigration detention to await deportation cannot regain custody of their children. Those who are released may spend weeks or even months trying to get them back. The government’s new flier offers no assurances that children will be returned.
    This really should be called a human rights violation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satsuki View Post
    I suppose every century has a "dark age" in it. Like the Great Depression in the 20th. But Jesus this feels worse than the depression.
    It's definitely not.
    But it has echoes of it.

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    $4,000 a minute pours in to help reunite separated immigrant families

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/19/us/...rnd/index.html

    According to the person who originally posted this and did the math "If it takes $1500 to give bail for one kid, then if they manage to reach six million, that's roughly enough for 4000 kids."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satsuki View Post
    Pence normally would just succeed Trump, but if he's convicted with a lot of crimes too he might be taken out just as quickly.
    It seems at this point when Pence signed on as VP, he knew he was partnering up with a lifelong crook, and then immediately took steps to actually stay the hell away from him and anything he's involved in. So while there's no doubt he knows and is aware of of stuff, it actually is possible he stayed out of it enough to avoid the actual fallout so that he can get the top spot when Trump is thrown out.

    Also, it is incredibly unlikely he would be removed so quickly that it would actually go to the Speaker (including he pipedream of democrat speaker after midterms). The crimes would have to be so immense that they agreed to impeach him at the same time, and that's just never going to happen even with tons of evidence. He'll be the guy for months at least.

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    Pence is just as dirty and evil as Trump, except he knows how to hide his crimes a lot better and keep a low profile to not draw attention to himself. Remember, this is the guy who wants to give the gays shock therapy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    $4,000 a minute pours in to help reunite separated immigrant families

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/19/us/...rnd/index.html

    According to the person who originally posted this and did the math "If it takes $1500 to give bail for one kid, then if they manage to reach six million, that's roughly enough for 4000 kids."
    Now if only someone can help the 6000 the administration has lost track of.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    I hate this country so much. And now they're trying to back out of the UN? Wtf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclone_Baroness View Post
    I hate this country so much. And now they're trying to back out of the UN? Wtf.
    To be fair it would be awkward for the U.S. to be apart of human rights body given how somewhat infamous we've become at engaging in and ignoring human rights violations especially cases that happen here.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_vs_Red View Post
    To be fair it would be awkward for the U.S. to be apart of human rights body given how somewhat infamous we've become at engaging in and ignoring human rights violations especially cases that happen here.
    When can we expect another country to come in and "liberate" us?

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    https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday...06/19/day-516/

    Day 516: Infestation.

    1/ The Trump administration has lost track of nearly 6,000 unaccompanied migrant children -- thousands more than the Department of Health and Human Services had previously acknowledged. HHS placed more than 42,497 unaccompanied children with sponsors in fiscal year 2017. Officials tasked with reaching out to sponsors and children to check on their well-being said 14% of calls were not returned – meaning the Trump administration has lost track of 5,949 children. (McClatchy DC)

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...213430099.html

    2/ Trump accused Democrats of wanting "illegal immigrants … to pour into and infest our country." Trump also rejected a proposal by Senator Ted Cruz to end family separations, calling the plan to hire thousands of new immigration judges "crazy," suggesting that the judges could be corrupt and the lawyers representing detained immigrants were "bad people." (CNN / BuzzFeed News / New York Times)

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/polit...est/index.html

    3/ More than 600 members of Jeff Sessions' church filed a formal complaint accusing him of "child abuse," "immorality," and "racial discrimination" for his "zero-tolerance" immigration policy that has led to children getting separated from their parents at the U.S.-Mexico border. (ABC News)

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hund...ry?id=56003177

    A bipartisan group of former U.S. Attorneys called on Jeff Sessions to end the policy of separating families at the border. Like a majority of Americans, "we are appalled that your Zero Tolerance policy has resulted in the unnecessary trauma and suffering of innocent children." (Medium)

    https://medium.com/@formerusattorney...n-e129ae0df0cf

    4/ Trump threatened to shut down the government in September if Congress doesn't provide $25 billion for his border wall. Senators are currently willing to send Trump $1.6 billion this fall. If Trump follows through with his threat, a government shutdown would happen weeks before the midterm elections. (Politico)

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...gration-653530

    Trump Jr. has withdrawn from a fundraiser for George P. Bush because of criticism from the Bush family over immigration criticism. Yesterday, Jeb Bush tweeted: "Children shouldn't be used as a negotiating tool. @realDonaldTrump should end this heartless policy and Congress should get an immigration deal done that provides for asylum reform, border security and a path to citizenship for Dreamers." (CNN)

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/polit...ser/index.html

    5/ The U.S. will withdraw from the United Nations Human Rights Council. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley are scheduled to publicly discuss the decision today. The announcement comes a day after the U.N.'s human rights chief called Trump's policy of separating children from parents crossing the southern border illegally "unconscionable." (Bloomberg / Politico / Reuters)

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1JF24X

    6/ Trump threatened China with another $200 billion in tariffs if Beijing refuses to narrow the trade deficit, which he says has put the U.S. "at a permanent and unfair disadvantage." China's Commerce Ministry accused Trump of initiating a trade war. In total, the Trump administration has threatened to impose tariffs on as much as $450 billion worth of goods. The U.S. imported $505 billion in goods from China last year. (New York Times / Washington Post / CNBC)

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/18/trad...w-tariffs.html

    The Dow fell nearly 300 points after Trump asked for $200 billion worth of Chinese goods for additional tariffs. The index erased all of its gains for the year and was on pace to post a six-day losing streak, its longest since March 2017. (CNBC)

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/19/us-s...investors.html

    Notables.
    Former CIA engineer Joshua Schulte was indicted on charges that he was responsible for providing classified documents to Wikileaks. Schulte faces a grand jury indictment for handing over a massive trove of U.S. government hacking tools known as "Vault 7" to Wikileaks, the details of which were published by the organization in March 2017. Schulte was already facing child pornography charges in New York. (Politico)

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...ssified-653264

    A foundation established by Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke and run by his wife is spearheading a real-estate deal backed by the chairman of the oil giant Halliburton, which stands to benefit directly from any decision by the Interior Department to open public lands for oil exploration. Zinke and his wife also own the property next door to the proposed resort. (Politico)

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...montana-647731

    The Senate passed a defense budget bill to reinstate penalties against Chinese telecom giant ZTE. The vote is a rebuke of Trump's attempt to make a deal with ZTE. (ABC News)

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sena...ry?id=55994166

    Erik Prince has "spoken voluntarily to Congress" and has "cooperated with the special counsel" as part of the ongoing investigation into the Trump campaign's ties to Russia during the 2016 election. Prince reportedly met with Trump Jr., George Nader, and Israeli social media specialist Joel Zamel at a secret meeting in the Seychelles during the campaign. He also met with Russian sovereign wealth fund manager Kirill Dmitriev during the transition period to set up a backchannel between the Trump administration and Russia. (Daily Beast)

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/erik-p...d-with-mueller

    Rudy Giuliani said he was just posturing when he called on Trump to suspend Robert Mueller's investigation. "That's what I'm supposed to do," Giuliani said. "What am I supposed to say?
    (Politico)

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...d-probe-652939

    Trump's 2020 reelection campaign manager called on Trump to fire Jeff Sessions and end Robert Mueller's investigation. "Time to fire Sessions," Brad Parscale said in his tweet. "End the Mueller investigation You can't obstruct something that was phony against you The IG report gives @realDonaldTrump the truth to end it all." (Politico / Washington Post)

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...essions-654199

    John Kelly has given up hope of trying to control Trump and has resigned himself to the possibility of Trump being impeached. The two are reportedly "barely tolerating one another." (Politico / Vox)

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...aration-653265

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    BREAKING: MICHAEL COHEN, HOLDING HIS CARDS CLOSE TO THE VEST, HAS HIRED A NEW LAWYER
    The president’s former attorney, who parted with his lawyers last week, has now hired Guy Petrillo, who served as the chief of the criminal division in the S.D.N.Y. from 2008 to 2009.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...d-a-new-lawyer

    https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1009179131865690112[/COLOR]]From the Tweet that first mentioned this
    Michael Cohen hired a former federal prosecutor who used to be a high-ranking official in the Manhattan office that is now investigating him. This is Cohen's first smart move in a while, and it will lead to speculation that he will flip soon.

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    Remember folks, if Ted Cruz ever looks more humane than you, you're a fucking terrible person.

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    A brave, brave soul I know who follows Trump's tweets something big may be dropping soon. In their words "generally when trump really gets going on Twitter, big news tends to drop later. It's just a pattern I noticed." and, while I don't follow the tweets, apparently he's been in an especially big huff recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    A brave, brave soul I know who follows Trump's tweets something big may be dropping soon. In their words "generally when trump really gets going on Twitter, big news tends to drop later. It's just a pattern I noticed." and, while I don't follow the tweets, apparently he's been in an especially big huff recently.
    I'm sufficiently hyped.

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    I woke up to several dairies and tv news showing the tragedy of children and their parents being separated, now that this thing is all over the media is when things can be done. one of them being convincing people that Trump should never be re-elected at the very least.








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    The fact that people tried to convince his base specifically the few Democrats and Bernie Bros. that he shouldn't be elected and yet they still helped get him where he got shows how well that'll work out.

    Granted some of them have come around after belatedly realizing he's a transphobic, islamaphobic, xenophobic moron who doesn't know what the hell he's doing and keeps saying dumb things that some of which as mentioned should've been obvious from the outset

    But it's still an uphill battle with shitty voting laws, Trump ginning up hatred towards the media (with the media justifying some of this contempt with objectively bad stories and opinion pieces) and other factors.
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