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    Won't be knocked down in the courts immediately, but, dragged out probably until 2020 at the EARLIEST. lol


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    Supreme Court will probably just decide that it’s okay for Republican presidents to declare national emergencies.

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    I hope Thomas writes the opinion so that we can get another of Thomas' wacky "the federal government should not exist so therefore I bequeath this power onto the federal government" screeds.

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    https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/02/14/day-756/

    Day 756: Emergency declaration


    1/ Trump will declare a national emergency to bypass Congress and build his border wall after signing the spending legislation to prevent another government shutdown. The border security compromise provides $1.375 billion for 55 miles of steel-post fencing – basically the same deal Trump rejected in December – instead of the $5.7 billion he demanded for more than 200 miles of steel or concrete wall. The emergency declaration would allow Trump to redirect funds from other parts of the government without congressional approval. The Senate advanced the spending package in an 81-16 vote. The House is expected to approve the package later tonight. (Washington Post / New York Times / CNBC / CNN / NBC News / Wall Street Journal / Bloomberg)
    2/ A federal judge ruled that Paul Manafort violated the terms of his cooperation deal by repeatedly lying to Robert Mueller and a grand jury about "his interactions and communications with [Konstantin] Kilimnik," a longtime aide who the FBI assessed to have ties to Russian intelligence. Judge Amy Berman Jackson found that Manafort also intentionally lied about $125,000 he received for legal bills and about another unnamed Justice Department criminal investigation. Manafort will not be able to retract his guilty plea, but he will still be required to hold up his end of the plea deal. The ruling does free Mueller's office from having to comply with the obligations in Manafort's cooperation agreement, notably offering Manafort a reduced sentence for his cooperation. The breach of the cooperation deal after his guilty plea could add years to Manafort's prison sentence, having been convicted last year of eight felonies, including tax and bank fraud. Manafort later pleaded guilty to two additional conspiracy counts. (CNN / Washington Post / New York Times / Politico / Vox / Wall Street Journal)
    3/ The Senate confirmed William Barr as attorney general, putting him in command of the Justice Department and its ongoing investigation into links between Russia's interference in the 2016 election and the Trump campaign. Last year, Barr sent a 19-page, unsolicited memo to the Justice Department and Trump's lawyers, arguing that Trump has the power to "start or stop a law enforcement proceeding," and therefore he could prevent Mueller from investigating whether Trump committed obstruction of justice when he pressured James Comey to drop an investigation into Michael Flynn. Barr previously served as George H.W. Bush's attorney general in the 1990s. (New York Times / Washington Post / Wall Street Journal / Bloomberg)
    4/ The former deputy F.B.I. director said Justice Department officials discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment and remove Trump from office after Trump fired Comey – his former boss – in May 2017. Andrew McCabe ordered the team investigating Russia's election interference to look into whether Trump had obstructed justice by firing Comey, and examine whether Trump had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests. McCabe's order came two days after Comey was fired in order "to put the Russia case on absolutely solid ground, in an indelible fashion" so the investigation "could not be closed or vanish in the night without a trace". McCabe was fired last March and stripped of his pension days before his planned retirement, because he "lacked candor." (CBS News / Wall Street Journal / Washington Post / New York Times)
    • Day 110: Trump fired James Comey on the recommendation of Jeff Sessions. In a letter dated Tuesday to Comey, Trump concurred "with the judgment of the Department of Justice that [Comey is not] able to effectively lead the bureau." Earlier, the FBI notified Congress that Comey misstated key findings involving the Clinton email investigation during testimony, saying that only a "small number" of emails had been forwarded to disgraced congressman Anthony Weiner, not the "hundreds and thousands" he’d claimed in his testimony. The move sweeps away the man who is responsible for the investigation into whether members of Trump's campaign team colluded with Russia in its interference in last year's election. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein laid out the reasons for Comey's firing, arguing that the handling of his investigation into Clinton's private server, his decision not to recommend charges be filed, and the news conference he held to explain his reasoning were the cause of his dismissal. Democrats reacted with shock and alarm, accusing Trump of ousting the FBI director to escape scrutiny over his campaign’s Russia ties. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer urged deputy Rosenstein to appoint a special prosecutor for the federal probe into the Trump campaign’s ties with Russian officials — warning that failing to do so will lead the public to “rightly suspect” that Comey’s surprise firing “was part of a cover-up.” (Washington Post / New York Times / NBC News / CNN / Politico)
    • Day 610: Rod Rosenstein raised the idea of wearing a wire last year to secretly record Trump in the White House and expose the chaos in the administration, according to memos written by Andrew McCabe, then the acting FBI director. Rosenstein also discussed recruiting Jeff Sessions and John Kelly, then the secretary of homeland security, to invoke the 25th Amendment and remove Trump from office. Rosenstein called the report "inaccurate and factually incorrect," adding: "Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment." At least one person who was present for the discussions said Rosenstein was joking. (New York Times / Washington Post / Bloomberg / Associated Press)
    • Day 725: The FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation into whether Trump had been working on behalf of Russia after he fired Comey in May 2017. Law enforcement officials became concerned that if Trump had fired Comey to stop the Russia investigation, his behavior would have constituted a threat to national security. Counterintelligence agents were also investigating why Trump was acting in ways that seemed to benefit Russia. No evidence has publicly emerged – yet – that Trump was secretly taking direction from Russian government officials. Sarah Huckabee Sanders called the report "absurd" and claimed that, compared to Obama, "Trump has actually been tough on Russia." (New York Times / CNN)

    Notables.
    1. Trump is dramatically downsizing two teams of federal officials tasked with fighting election interference by foreign countries. The task forces are part of the Cyber Security and Infrastructure Agency and were assembled in response to Russian interference in the 2016 election. One of the task forces is half the size it was a few months ago, and there are no indications that senior political leadership plans to rebuild it. The other task force was reduced significantly after the 2018 midterms, before its staff could produce a full assessment of what happened during the election. DHS sources say "2020 is going to be the perfect storm." (Daily Beast)
    2. The House voted to stop U.S. funding for Saudi Arabia's war on Yemen. The move is seen as an attempt to limit presidential war powers and highlight Congress' anger of Trump's refusal to condemn Saudi Arabia in the wake of Jamal Khashoggi's murder inside the Saudi consulate in Turkey. The vote was 248 to 177 in favor of stopping aid and condemning the Saudi campaign, which has killed thousands of civilians and caused a massive famine and an historic cholera outbreak. (New York Times)
    3. Trump is accelerating a secret U.S. program to sabotage Iran's missiles and rockets in an attempt to cripple Iran's military and isolate its economy. The program has never been publicly acknowledged by U.S. officials, which involves slipping faulty parts and materials into Iran's aerospace supply chains. It was started under the Bush administration and was active early in the Obama administration, but it was winding down by 2017 when Mike Pompeo took over as CIA director and started ramping things up again. (New York Times)
    4. A White House security specialist wants official whistleblower protections from the federal government after she raised concerns about "unwarranted security clearances" for top administration officials like Jared Kushner. Tricia Newbold requested whistleblower protections less than two weeks after she was suspended without pay by her supervisor, Carl Kline. Newbold says Kline "repeatedly mishandled security files and has approved unwarranted security clearances," one of which was Jared Kushner's. Kline overruled Newbold's concerns and approved top-secret security clearance for Kushner and at least 30 White House officials. (NBC News)
    5. Trump is in "very good health overall," according to results from his physical examination. Last year, then-physician Rear Adm. Ronny Jackson declared Trump in "excellent health," joking that Trump "might live to be 200 years old" if he made improvements to his diet. Trump gained four pounds since last year, putting his body mass index at 30.4, which makes him clinically obese. (CNN)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyan D. Funk View Post
    I hope Thomas writes the opinion so that we can get another of Thomas' wacky "the federal government should not exist so therefore I bequeath this power onto the federal government" screeds.
    Thomas will probably be allowed to write more than 1 opinion every 5 years now that he’s no longer the token sexual misconduct guy who doesn’t belong on the court.

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    What kind of repercussions will there be if the President can get around congress by declaring a state of emergency?

    I mean that just gives the President a shit ton of power doesn't it? What are the limits? do you think it will happen

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    Not gonna lie, the Rose Garden conference Trump had over his #Fakenationalemergency made me day drink. Literally needed to cope with the stupidity.

    He spent the time arguing against the statistics of his own administraion by stating "well, I got stats from Homeland security. You wouldn't BELIEVE what I've seen" .

    Talked about "angel" moms, dads, and children. If it was snowing in Virginia, I bet we would have seen a Trump snow angel. "Funny" how Trump will eagerly point to the parents of those killed by illegal immigrants as a rational for his unscientific rationalization for his policy, yet when it comes to the hundreds killed by Caucasian males from gun violence, he's silent.

    And of course, he took the time to attack Obama on a variety of issues. His Nobel Peace Prize, his economy(as he takes credit for and states would have suddenly tanked had he continued) and attack the "various regulations" that "hurt" the economy UNTIL Emperor Trump magically fixed them.

    What is most likely to be taken out of this event is where Trump both attacked AND defended his administrations record. Not only are we at an all time low of border crossersc but walls work in Isreal and China so.....c'mon!

    As he talked about angel mothers, fathers, children(and snow angels, I imagine if he had the time) he pointed to -again things he himself tweeted at an all time low- the number of those killed by illegal immigrants.


    When confronted on the fact that the hard facts and statistics that what he was saying was scientifically false, he simply attacked CNN and said "fake news" While stating numbers from Homeland security that "you wouldn't believe".

    Eventually though, the conference came to what is likely talked about and important point. Trump laid out, and explained how he would -and anticipated- being challenged over his Fake National Emergency. Again, in the same talk where he boasted about how well border security has been, talked about how he would likely loose in the lower courts, while having faith the Supreme Court would support him.

    All while mentioning previous national emergency's while "his mattered" while others "not so much".

    And this is me ignoring all the talks of him from the get go trying to distract from talks of China's trade deal, where he insulted China saying "we're winning, they're hurting", but ALSO speaking up about how good his realtionship is with china and that they LOVE his deals...that -as POTUS says- "We're winning, they're hurting"- before transitioning into talks about how great North Korea is because they've completely submitted to the US. And then inviting Schumer and Pelosi to have their own unofficial trade deal with china for Trump to not accept to he can simply point to criticisms of himself.

    What a shit show this was.
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    There's some kind of sick humor in Trump declaring a national emergency because he isn't getting what he wants, or because he isn't getting it fast enough, or because every other emergency doesn't matter as much as this. Trump represents the worst of America too well.

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    Remember when Republicans would scream about "abuse of power" and "executive overreach"?

    Good times.

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    No mention of Trump apparently using a fake Chinese accent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green_vs_Red View Post
    No mention of Trump apparently using a fake Chinese accent?
    Oh yeah...he also suggested killing drug dealers again didn't he? I assume these details just get lost in the haze that occurs whenever air passes through Trump's mouth-like orifice.

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    https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2019/02/15/day-757/
    Day 757:Didn't need to do this


    1/ Trump declared a national emergency at the border to circumvent Congress and fund his border wall with money lawmakers refused to give him, saying "I didn't need to do this," but "I just want to get it done faster, that's all." In a Rose Garden news conference, Trump said he would sign the declaration to divert $3.6 billion from military construction projects to his border wall and then use presidential budgetary discretion to redirect $2.5 billion from counternarcotics programs and another $600 million from a Treasury Department asset forfeiture fund. Between the $1.375 billion authorized for fencing in a spending package passed by Congress, and the roughly $6.5 billion in funding from executive action, Trump is will have about $8 billion to construct or repair as many as 234 miles of a border barrier – significantly more than the $5.7 billion that Congress refused to give him. Following the news conference, Trump signed the spending legislation. (New York Times / The Guardian / Politico / Washington Post / NBC News / ABC News)
    • Capitol Police pushed and physically blocked reporters from talking with Senators headed to vote on the spending package last night, despite some lawmakers willing to engage with the press. (Roll Call)
    • The White House announced the national emergency by tweet using the iPhone Notes app. (BuzzFeed News)
    • Trump's national emergency press conference, annotated. (Washington Post)
    • Trump's bizarre, rambling national emergency announcement distracted from what the president actually did. (The Atlantic)
    • In November 2014, Trump called taking executive action on immigration dangerous, unconstitutional, and impeachable. (CNN)
    2/ The Justice Department warned the White House that a national emergency declaration is nearly certain to be blocked by the courts, which would prevent the immediate implementation of Trump's plan to circumvent Congress and build the wall using his executives powers. (ABC News)
    • The ACLU plans to file suit challenging Trump's national emergency declaration, arguing his attempt to evade congressional funding restrictions is "patently illegal." (Axios)
    3/ House Democrats plan to pass a joint resolution disapproving of Trump's emergency declaration, which would force Senate Republicans to take a public position. By law, if one chamber passes a resolution, the other one must bring it up for a vote within 18 days. While Republicans hold a 53-to-47 advantage, the resolution would only need a simple majority to pass. A White House aide indicated that Trump would "absolutely veto" any congressional efforts to interfere with his plan to declare a national emergency to secure funding for his border wall. (Washington Post / New York Times / NBC News / Politico)
    4/ The Supreme Court agreed to decide whether the Trump administration can add a question about citizenship to the 2020 Census. A federal judge last month stopped the Commerce Department from adding the question, questioning the motives of Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, who claimed he ordered the question to be added in response to a December 2017 request from the Justice Department, which said that data about citizenship would help it enforce the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Judge Jesse Furman of the United States District Court in Manhattan issued an opinion saying that "promoting enforcement" of the Voting Rights Act "was not his real reason for the decision." The court is scheduled to hear arguments in April so that it can issue a decision before census forms are printed in June. (Washington Post / New York Times)
    5/ Robert Mueller's team interviewed Sarah Huckabee Sanders in early fall of 2018 – around the time that Trump's former Chief of Staff John Kelly was questioned by Mueller's team. (CNN / CNBC)
    • Maria Butina, a self-confessed Russian agent, "manipulated" a Russian spy agency when arranging the NRA's trip to Moscow, according to her boyfriend, Paul Erickson. In a Nov. 25, 2015, email sent to then-incoming NRA President Pete Brownell, Erickson wrote that "most of the FSB agents 'assigned' to her want to marry her," which is how she arranged a tour of a Russian arms factory for the NRA delegation. (Daily Beast)
    • A federal judge has placed a gag order on Roger Stone and attorneys involved in his criminal case, ordering the Trump associate to "refrain from making statements to the media or in public settings that pose a substantial likelihood of material prejudice to this case." (Politico / CNN)

    Notables.
    1. Venezuelan president Nicolas Maduro's foreign minister met secretly with the U.S. special envoy in New York, even while the Trump administration continues to publicly back an attempt to overthrow the Maduro government. While in New York, the foreign minister urged Elliot Abrams to come to Venezuela "privately, publicly or secretly." U.S. officials have said they are willing to meet with officials from the current Venezuelan administration, "including Maduro himself, to discuss their exit plans." (Associated Press / Politico)
    2. The top American general in the Middle East disagreed with Trump's decision to pull troops out of Syria, and warned that the terror group was far from defeated. (CNN)
    3. Pro-Israel lobbyists and donors spent more than $22 million on lobbying and campaign contributions during the last election cycle. Those same groups have spent hundreds of millions of dollars through a variety of channels in order to influence American politics and elections in recent decades. The Guardian investigation found that the pro-Israel lobby is "highly active and spends heavily to influence US policy," but not as heavily as some U.S. business sectors. "I haven’t observed many other countries that have a comparable level of activity, at least in domestic lobbying data," said a senior researcher at the Center for Responsive Politics. The Guardian started examining the data after Muslim Minnesota congresswoman Ilhan Omar claimed pro-Israel lobby money influenced U.S. policy. (The Guardian)
    4. Trump claimed that Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe nominated him for a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to broker peace between North and South Korea. The Japanese have not announced Trump's nomination for a Nobel Peace Prize. (Politico / Washington Post)
    5. At least 10 Trump judicial nominees in the past year have refused to endorse Brown v. Board of Education, the 1954 ruling that abolished school segregation. (Mother Jones)

    A couple of other things that have come up, as well:

    From Nancy Pelosi's Twitter:
    https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/st...94433187651586
    Clearest sign that @realDonaldTrump’s #FakeTrumpEmergency is not legitimate? The President himself says he didn’t need to declare a national emergency – it’s just a faster way to force taxpayers to foot the bill after Congress wouldn’t let him have his way.
    Trump declares emergency for border wall, House panel launches probe

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1Q420N
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    trump admitting that this entire nation emergency is a hoax will suuuuure look good on those lawsuits that are bound to start rolling out

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