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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    Boehner is a weed lobbyist now, after a lifelong supporter of the war on drugs.

    At least he wisened up (for obvious reasons) if only people like Sessions and Biden could join everyone else in 2019/2020.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Speaking of Boehner, my dad, as an obnoxiously staunch republican, is proud he didn't vote for him; he said it was because Boehner was a RINO to him (something I assume was an idea Talk Radio planted in his head). In other words
    he didn't like that Boehner was willing to reach across the isle and compromise with the democrats. Its a sad state of affairs when my dad (and other likes him) are so consumed by the notion that democrats are pure evil that they'd forgo any
    talk of compromise to simply keep the other team from having any input on policy. It seems as if a nonfunctional law making body is preferred to functional one, as long as the other 'team' has no say in control over that body.

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    This talk of Boehner is reminding me of this politico article where he trash talks his old colleagues.

    Breaking the ice, I mention some news of the day—that Trey Gowdy appears likely to become chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. The previous chairman, Jason Chaffetz, had abruptly announced his resignation from Congress; House conservatives had hoped that Jim Jordan, a senior member on the committee, might pursue the chairmanship. Boehner grins. “Gowdy—that’s my guy, even though he doesn’t know how to dress,” he says. Then Boehner leans back in his chair. “Fuck Jordan. Fuck Chaffetz. They’re both assholes."
    I get the feeling that out of office more politicians are like this. They are human, after all. Not that it excuses them, but still can't you just see Paul Ryan cursing out Trump like this?

    Also, I think Trump started ranting about toilets and light bulbs today? It was weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hosemisnuba View Post
    . In other words
    he didn't like that Boehner was willing to reach across the isle and compromise with the democrats.
    Too bad that's not really what Boehner was trying to do before the tea party segment of the party came along and basically kept trying to fuck everything up while essentially trying to throw Boehner in the woodchipper for not being a "true" conservative.

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    Also, I think Trump started ranting about toilets and light bulbs today? It was weird.
    That's pretty much how Trump's comments are supposed to work, not make sense him repeating shit twice and essentially trying to make someone look aggrieved.
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    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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    Quote Originally Posted by hosemisnuba View Post
    Speaking of Boehner, my dad, as an obnoxiously staunch republican, is proud he didn't vote for him; he said it was because Boehner was a RINO to him (something I assume was an idea Talk Radio planted in his head). In other words
    he didn't like that Boehner was willing to reach across the isle and compromise with the democrats. Its a sad state of affairs when my dad (and other likes him) are so consumed by the notion that democrats are pure evil that they'd forgo any
    talk of compromise to simply keep the other team from having any input on policy. It seems as if a nonfunctional law making body is preferred to functional one, as long as the other 'team' has no say in control over that body.
    The thing is that, as GvR pointed out, even before the GOP took the House, Boehner regulary called various Obama initiaifes forms of fascism. Just Youtube his Obamacare speeches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    The thing is that, as GvR pointed out, even before the GOP took the House, Boehner regulary called various Obama initiaifes forms of fascism. Just Youtube his Obamacare speeches.
    I've never thought that Boehner was anything more than your typical 21st century Republican Speaker of the house, but whether or not Boehner is actually a bipartisan 'RINO' or not is irrelevant to people who buy into right wing propaganda like my father.
    The matter of fact is, these folks are so enthralled with notions that the other side is the devil that even the thought of someone working with the other 'team' gets them indignant and riled up (whether or not the information that leads to those thoughts is valid or not).

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    Claremont United Methodist, known for their provocative nativity scenes, have turned this year's into a statement against Trump's concentration camps, with Mary, Joesph, and infant Jesus in seperate cages.

    https://twitter.com/mattrindge/statu...033929729?s=19

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    "Bernie and his followers already ruined one election"
    Okay fine, I'll bite: What exactly did Bernie Sanders do in 2016? Because from what I've seen he...
    -Threw his hat into the race in the presidential primary, something he was entirely within his right to do considering it's supposed to be a democratic process where the best candidate prevails, and how exactly would one gauge the best candidate if one arbitrarily shuts people out?
    -Managed to go from being a no-name outside of his own state to very nearly winning the primary, indicating that his message really resonated quite strongly with people
    -Stayed in the race until it became clear that he had no shot at victory, at which point he very quickly switched gears to aggressively campaigning for Hillary Clinton.

    Oh my. What a villain. Note also that people more or less stopped listening to him after he switched to campaigning for Hillary, because, as it turns out, people liked Bernie Sanders for the policies he championed, so once he stopped championing those policies and went over to "You have to vote for Hillary because Trump would be an unmitigated disaster!", people were no longer interested.
    Did I also mention how both last time and this time, there's a transparently obvious anti-Sanders bias in the media? Every time he ends up accomplishing anything such as, I dunno, having larger crowds at his events than any other candidate, reaching one million individual donors faster than any other candidate, or ranking first in polls, sites like MSNBC and CNN go out of their way to acknowledge this as little as possible.
    Example. "Buttigieg in fourth, but a strong fourth"? Seriously? That's more noteworthy than Bernie Sanders being in first? Granted, it's not just Bernie; They have a tendency to ignore Yang and Tulsi Gabbard as well. Warren at least gets proper coverage at least some of the time.

    Also worth noting: A lot of the states Hillary Clinton lost in in 2016? She didn't even campaign there, taking them for granted because those states had previously voted for Obama both times. Oh, my, who could possibly have foreseen that Trump might have been able to gain ground in the states where his opposition didn't even bother to show up?
    Also this:

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    That’s a whole wall of inaccuracies based on whiny Youtube videos.

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    I’m at work so I will go through it tonight, but for starters Bernie was blown out on Super Tuesdsy in early March but didn’t quit the race until July.

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    Bernie stayed in the race a lot longer than he should have before officially conceding and endorsing Hillary. Ostensibly to force the DNC to adopt some of his policies in their official platform but it just played into the "Bernie vs. The DNC" narrative that had sprung up. This painted the DNC as this shady lying organization that did everything it could to stop Bernie and install Hillary as the candidate.

    A narrative he did little to dispel. In fact, I STILL see people bringing this up today for why they won't vote for any Democratic candidate besides Bernie, even against Trump in the primary.
    Debbie Wasserman Schultz is basically the devil to these people.


    His support of her also just amounted to "Trump bad. So Hillary good by comparison"

    He SHOULD have been saying:

    "I'm never going to stop fighting for the things I campaigned for, but the fact remains that if I manage to draft a bill and get it passed through congress, President Trump would automatically veto it. With Hillary, the bill will get a fair shake. She is at moment, the best chance at our Revolution moving forward. Trump will send it backwards".
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    Don't bother, starfish. People don't like Bernie cause he's old and white. Doesn't matter that he has the best policy positions by far, he's not a minority and doesn't have a vagina, so some people will just absolutely not support him. Which is really stupid, but whatever. It's their vote and their choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The D. View Post
    Don't bother, starfish. People don't like Bernie cause he's old and doesn't know when to stop.
    FTFY

    he's not a minority
    He's Jewish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Starfish View Post
    -Threw his hat into the race in the presidential primary, something he was entirely within his right to do considering it's supposed to be a democratic process where the best candidate prevails, and how exactly would one gauge the best candidate if one arbitrarily shuts people out?
    Same reason third parties are frowned upon. Vothing in the US is more strategic than democratic. People consder Bernie stayed to long or that he did not do good enough to dispell the idea that the DNC aren't shady assholes that fucked him over and thefore does not deserve their vote.



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    Don't bother, starfish. People don't like Bernie cause he's old and white. Doesn't matter that he has the best policy positions by far, he's not a minority and doesn't have a vagina, so some people will just absolutely not support him. Which is really stupid, but whatever. It's their vote and their choice.
    Well that and all the stuff outlined in the post literally above yours.

    For myself, I supported Clinton in 2016 and Warren now because they seen to be the most competent people currently in the running. Sanders had a lot of ideas but, by my understanding either few plans or plans that were overly optimistic.

    Clinton and Warren were/are not that far from him and had ways in mind to implement their ideas if elected. Warren's meme for a while was even "she has a plan for that".

    Also, I've seen people comment that Sanders' economic policies were pretty pie in the sky in the sense that they needed things to go better than that realistically might. Couple that with an unfortunate tone-deafness on racial issues and his stock was lowered in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The D. View Post
    Don't bother, starfish. People don't like Bernie cause he's old and white. Doesn't matter that he has the best policy positions by far, he's not a minority and doesn't have a vagina, so some people will just absolutely not support him. Which is really stupid, but whatever. It's their vote and their choice.
    The winner was a white man who is relatively old. I suppose you are talking about the primary. I think it was more about how Hilary was a much more well known figure that basically run a campain since Obama was a thing and Bernie was a relative unknown with a lot of ground to cover.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobodyman View Post
    FTFY


    He's Jewish
    Didn't fix anything. Why would he stop when he's clearly the best choice? Not everyone wants to settle for their political choices.
    And he's white passing like most jews in the U.S, and that's all *some people* need to see. I did just genuinely forget jews are amkng the minority though, lol. That was an honest mistake.

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    Well that and all the stuff outlined in the post literally above yours.
    ...Except not really. Hillay doesn't believe in the things Bernie does. So no, his ideals wouldn't get "a fair shake" in her hypothetical administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The D. View Post
    Didn't fix anything. Why would he stop when he's clearly the best choice? Not everyone wants to settle for their political choices.
    And he's white passing like most jews in the U.S, and that's all *some people* need to see. I did just genuinely forget jews are amkng the minority though, lol. That was an honest mistake.
    Wants to, no. But if the choice is someone who might do much the same thing (Clinton/Warren) or someone who very definitely won't (Trump), you kind of have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    The winner was a white man who is relatively old. I suppose you are talking about the primary. I think it was more about how Hilary was a much more well known figure that basically run a campain since Obama was a thing and Bernie was a relative unknown with a lot of ground to cover.
    Yes, within the democratic base there is a sect of people who absolutely don't want their candidate to be a white male. Doesn't matter if he's the best choice.
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    Don't bother, starfish. People don't like Bernie cause he's old and white. Doesn't matter that he has the best policy positions by far, he's not a minority and doesn't have a vagina, so some people will just absolutely not support him. Which is really stupid, but whatever. It's their vote and their choice.
    That's an extremely shitty way to dismiss the things other people are actually saying.

    It's the equivalent of me turning that around on you and saying "You only support Bernie because he's a white old man and you feel threatened by any minorities."


    I'm wary of Bernie because of his record supporting the NRA until very recently, also he and his supporters like to crow about how he "Always" supported LGBT rights but if you look back, more often than not when he'd vote against some anti-LGBT bill, he'd frame it as "Yes, protecting marriage IS an important thing, I just don't think it's something that we should be focusing on NOW when there are economic issues to deal with"

    That's really my big problem with him boiled down into a nutshell. He has his pet economic issues he REALLY cares about and it honestly feels like he doesn't care about anything he can't tie back into those.


    Also, his followers are in for a rude awakening. I keep seeing people saying that the reason they are "Bernie or Bust" is because they believe the system is entirely broken and the only way to get "real change" is to completely overhaul it.

    If you think Bernie will actually have the power to do that as president you are deluding yourself. It's still going to be the standard system where bills have to pass through the house and the senate, then go to his desk. Without a top down rebuild of the entire system we'll just basically go back to gridlock.

    He'd ABSOLUTELY be better than Trump no doubt about it. The stuff that IS in his power like making policy regarding ICE, military stuff including trans service members, stuff regarding the stupid wall etc would definitely be reversed.

    But all of the big things he wants to do like Tax Payer funded college, single payer healthcare, campaign finance reform all of that will require someone in congress draft a bill: Nancy Pelosi will need to bring it up for vote in the house. It will need to pass, then Moscow Mitch will keep it in limbo forever and it will never go anywhere.


    Even if Dems take both the House and the Senate, unless they win supermajorities in both, there will still be enough Republicans to disrupt and even completely stop the process of the bills dead in their tracks with the practical effect being that Bernie never gets any of the big things done.




    But sure. I guess I don't actually know anything about anything and I'm just some idiot who only has reservations about Bernie because "White man bad".

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