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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    Wants to, no. But if the choice is someone who might do much the same thing (Clinton/Warren) or someone who very definitely won't (Trump), you kind of have to.
    Don't get me wrong, I haaaate trumpy with every fiber of my being. He's a disgusting excuse for a human being who should never have been president. I'll vote blue no matter who, but that doesn't mean I'll like it. I voted for Hillary because she was possibly the most qualified person to ever run for president. Doesn't mean I like her or support her status quo ideals, but she was far and away superior to trumpy. Same as Bernie, same as Warren. Sometimes I forget we're all on the same "side", but when someone bad mouths the person I believe in, my emotions get the better of me, ya know?

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    I never called you an idiot, Rin. I'm sorry I came off as such a cunt. But I really, truly believe in Bernie. And there are people who trash talk him just because he's old and white, and there have been enough of them in power. I let my emotions get the better of me. I apologize.
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    Let's not forget the things Bernie and his supporters did that helped normalize Trump's candidacy either; refusing to fully release his tax information, the constant implications that a process he lost by millions of votes was rigged against him, and fhe message that Clinton was the corrupt one tied to Wall Street because she took money from speeches. Trump jumped on that message bigtime to promote himself as an outsider despite being known for decades as a highly corrupt person with ties to Wall Street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiq View Post
    Let's not forget the things Bernie and his supporters did that helped normalize Trump's candidacy either; refusing to fully release his tax information, the constant implications that a process he lost by millions of votes was rigged against him, and fhe message that Clinton was the corrupt one tied to Wall Street because she took money from speeches. Trump jumped on that message bigtime to promote himself as an outsider despite being known for decades as a highly corrupt person with ties to Wall Street.
    I don't know that Hillary is corrupt, but she's certainly not a progressive. And that's reason enough for me not to like her. And Bernie did switch to supporting Hillary after she got the nomination. It really boils down to people whining that some of Bernie's supporters have conviction in their beliefs and won't sell out just to toe the party line. If you don't believe in someone or something, don't support them. Simple as that.
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    I don't know that Hillary is corrupt, but she's certainly not a progressive. And that's reason enough for me not to like her. And Bernie did switch to supporting Hillary after she got the nomination. It really boils down to people whining that some of Bernie's supporters have conviction in their beliefs and won't sell out just to toe the party line. If you don't believe in someone or something, don't support them. Simple as that.
    The point being made, I think, is that very thing was a factor in why Trump won. People refused to support Clinton because she wasn't Sanders, even in the face of Trump.

    The way I've looked at 2016, the moment Clinton and Trump became the candidates, Clinton's faults, real and imagined, became irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    The point being made, I think, is that very thing was a factor in why Trump won. People refused to support Clinton because she wasn't Sanders, even in the face of Trump.

    The way I've looked at 2016, the moment Clinton and Trump became the candidates, Clinton's faults, real and imagined, became irrelevant.
    That's one way of looking at the 2016 election, and one I came to believe as well. I didn't support Bernie vigorously until this cycle. But I can't fault other people for holding onto what they believe in. Ideals are very important to me, so I understand where they came from. But at the end of the day literally any democrat running would be better than trumpy. I hope we can all agree on that at least.
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    That's one way of looking at the 2016 election, and one I came to believe as well. I didn't support Bernie vigorously until this cycle. But I can't fault other people for holding onto what they believe in. Ideals are very important to me, so I understand where they came from. But at the end of the day literally any democrat running would be better than trumpy. I hope we can all agree on that at least.
    Yeah. There's no Democrat except Tulsi Gabbard who wouldn't be an improvement over Trump.

    The problem with ideals in politics, to my mind, is that, as important as they may be, they mean jack all if you can't get elected in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    Yeah. There's no Democrat except Tulsi Gabbard who wouldn't be an improvement over Trump.

    The problem with ideals in politics, to my mind, is that, as important as they may be, they mean jack all if you can't get elected in the first place.
    Fair enough. But we don't really want someone who will say whatever they need to in order to get elected. That's what we're dealing with right now and I think it's fair to say it hasn't worked out well for most of us. There needs to be a balance between ideals and electability. Finding it is a problem in and of itself though.
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    At this point, it's clear that every single Republican President puts us that much closer to a fundamental unwinding of not only every progressive achievement of the past century but basic democracy itself.

    So I'll gladly take any actual Democrat who says anything to get elected.
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    "Bernie and his followers already ruined one election"

    -Stayed in the race until it became clear that he had no shot at victory, at which point he very quickly switched gears to aggressively campaigning for Hillary Clinton.
    He stayed in for MONTHS after the math was impossible for him. It was mathematically extremely unlikely for him to get it as early as March, impossible by May barring Clinton either dying or losing 18 of the 21 remaining races (she won 14 of them) , and locked in impossible by June, even if he had won all 9 remaining contests he couldn't have caught up.

    At the very least he should have dropped immediately after Trump was picked to be the Republican guy in mid July, but he held until the end of July at the DNC convention, at which he did NOT not move to nominate Clinton by acclamation at the end of, as she had done for Obama.

    No one can say how much damage that extra 2-5 months of campaigning against her did, but in a race that she WON and only lost due to a few thousand votes in three states, that might have been a difference maker. (Along with Comey "opening an investigation" a week beforehand, and the independants that ran and siphoned off votes.) Especially since it was during that time he hurled certain things at her that Trump picked up on and ran with like "she's beholden to wall street."

    Also all the while he did nothing to dissuade the toxic mess that IS Bernie Bros and those asshole taint him, however much that may or may not be his fault. Maybe if he had dropped out sooner to stop making people think he had a chance and the system was rigged, (and the math really did say it was over by April/May barring a miracle) and done more to persuade his base things might have gone differently. He neither quickly or aggressively switched to campaigning for Hillary after he lost, and in fact kept complaining that the system was rigged against him... something he has CONTINUED to do against Elizabeth Warren, implying she's getting media coverage just because she's a woman..

    I liked Bernie, I wanted him to be the guy, he pulled the discussion into places it needed to be pulled, I voted for him in the primaries. But he REALLY soured himself those last couple months and he hasn't impressed me at all this time around. The first time he was running for the message, this time he's running for himself.


    That said, I'll vote anything over Trump, so whatever Dem makes it to the nom I'm fine with.
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    On the note of the 2016 Election, The Inspector General Report has been put up

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...the-real-hoax/


    To no one's suprise it debunks a lot of the bullshit claims Trump and his gullible calvacade of supporters have been insistent upon using to try to discredit the investigation into Russia's interference. While revealing some interesting tidbits such as Steele meeting with Ivanka Trump.
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    I think anybody with a brain can all agree: Vote for anybody over Trump. Fuck, I'm not Libertarian or Green Party but if that ended up being the one with the biggest chance of beating Angry Orange, then hell yes I'd vote for them.

    That said it's all going to be Blue vs. Red, it always is.

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