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    Love: When he's first introduced he's made to look like a more effective Captain Morgan-type villain but not long afterwards that impression is subverted with his ice cream-eating pants and he turns out to be one of the first moral Navy officers despite his intimidating looks and hardass personality. Then in Alabasta we see that he's not a cog in the Navy machine when he kicks off the "what is true justice?" moral conflict of the Navy plotline. Plus he works well as the straightman when surrounded by sillier characters like when he was stuck in the cage with the Straw Hats and when in command of the G5 marines.

    Loathe: Any notion of him being a serious rival to Luffy died at Punk Hazard. Not only was his performance really embarrassing, but it highlighted how...outdated he feels. The story, powers, and stakes have grown a lot between Alabasta and Punk Hazard, but he really hasn't. His gimmick is intangibility and a magic stick, neither of which amount to much of anything anymore now that the Haki arms' race is in full steam. The next time he and Luffy clash, we're going to be going, "pfft, Luffy can just go Gear Fourth and end it with King Kong Gun". Overall, Smoker feels like a relic left over from the time when One Piece was going to be shorter, simpler, and the power levels lower.

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    Love: The fact that he has his own sense of justice, which he adheres to. He inspires his subordinates and he always knows what the right thing is. He is a capable fighter with a Logia Devil fruit to boot and he has cornered Luffy on many occasions. I also like his relationship with Tashigi.

    Loathe: On the other hand, he has one of the worst Logia fruit in the series and he is not really proficient in using it. He also needs badass post-timeskip moments urgently!

    Character: 4
    Design: 3,5
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    Love: Smoker constantly reminds us that every group in the One Piece world has its own "good" and "bad" apples. He has a very strong sense of justice and pride that differs from the majority of the Marines' ones. What's also commendable is the fact that he doesn't let this justice of his be bound by orders from above or the marine code. The famous "Tell them to eat shit" scene was badass and powerful and that's when we finally got the full picture of his character.
    His powers. He was the pretty much the first antagonist in East Blue that Luffy had no way of beating. It was a good show of just how dangerous the Grand Line, as it is teeming with abilities like Smoker's. His choice of weapon was pretty interesting as well.
    I like his design as well, whether it be the pre-skip or post-skip design, enjoyed both of them tbh.
    Also, 2 cigars.

    Loathe: There are some choices Oda made regarding Smoker's character arc that don't really sit well with me, but I wouldn't really call them loathsome. As many have mentioned, it was annoying to see Smoker go from badass strong Admiral candidate to a punching bag, namely during Punk Hazard, but all of those were pretty circumstantial and didn't bother me that much as a result.
    I feel that he could have played a much bigger role in Marineford, if Oda wasn't so fixated on cockteasing us with the Admirals, Whitebeard and the Warlords. It felt like he was just sitting back and not doing anything until the Hancock scene, which, let's be honest, was not done to favor Smoker.

    P.S. where the bike tho?

    Character - 4/5 despite his lack of success in the New World I still can't help but get excited every time I see him on panel, overall quite an enjoyable character
    Design - 4/5 works really well, although some people might say that his post-skip design is an imitation of Crocodile's, I think that the characters are distinct enough to let some similarities slide.

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    Smoker


    Love:
    -Right from his introduction he is set apart from the rest marines seen so far. Not only is he the first marine we see who has a devil fruit he is the first logia we are introduced to. He effortlessly defeats Buggy, Alvida, Luffy and Sanji. His debut shows us that the marines are a serious opponent and Smoker being just a captain does a pretty good job of hyping all the higher ups.
    “I don’t have time to deal with you runts”

    -His design makes him look “scary” in his first appearance but we quickly find out he is super nice (“My pants ate your ice cream" scene for one out of loads)

    -Other people seem to not like his focus on catching Luffy, but I am curious if other people view Garp negatively for chasing Roger? Anyways I personally really liked the fact that Smoker pretty much identifies Luffy as the guy who is going to be the 2nd Pirate King. I enjoyed the “rivalry” set up where other people were not taking Luffy seriously yet but Smoker clued in day one that Luffy would be a big threat in the future.
    "It's as if the heavens themselves want that boy to survive!"

    -His attitude: Smoker’s personal justice and the fact that he just wants to do what is right and desire to change a corrupt system make it so I can’t help but like him. As a boss he cares about his subordinates and gets pissed about Vergo’s betrayal of G5.
    Tell them not to order to me around” “Tell them to eat shit”

    -The fact that he figures out that Luffy is going to pick the most dangerous island for fun is hilarious
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    -His seastone jutte/jitte even though haki has made it less impressive it is great symbolically for his role.

    -The fact that his strict personality is fitting for a military commander allowing us to have some notable “good guy” marines that are still somewhat strict.

    “Loath”
    Loath is too strong of a word more fitting is "things I dislike"
    - All his wasted potential! He could have been a great way of exploring the marines for readers and fleshing out that part of the world since he introduced things such as
    • His friendship with Hina (who happens to be one of the few female marines…)
    • His rivalry with Luffy. Despite acknowledging him over 750 chapters ago as the 2nd pirate king and having the potential to be the “Garp” to Luffy’s “Roger” he just ends up becoming the guy who “jobs” to show off how cool and powerful the next opponent is.
    • Remember how in the Post Enies Lobby mini-Arc Smoker was trashing paradise pirates and said marine standards were low? Or that he said he and Tashigi needed more power and influence so they were going to the new world? I totally forgive anyone who forgot since it never came about…
    (I'm going to stop rambling about all the wasted potential before I make a three page list )
    -something about such a cool character being designed almost entirely around smoking in a comic for kids seems kinda sketchy in the whole “role model” thingy.


    Character: 5/5 – A marine who is not corrupt, a complete jerk OR insane? Easily my favourite marine for his attitude and characteristics. I just wish Oda wouldn't waste a 5/5...
    Design: 4.5/5 – Honestly even though his design is a bit plain by One Piece standards both his pre timeskip and post timeskip designs are great IMO.


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    I think Oda made a mistake and the children aren't really being taken home by the marines, but rather, they'll eat them. Oda just confused the word "take" with "eat". It happens.

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    Love:

    His moral conviction is great. Having the gall to call out his superiors on their shadiness in a bad ass One Piece way is awesome.

    His stoicism is fun. He may just be my favorite One Piece straight man.

    I love the "Hard, cold, emotionless brute actually has a heart of gold" cliche.

    His dynamic with Luffy is wonderful. A perpetual game of cat and mouse. Like Tom and Jerry with more mutual respect and less dismemberment.

    Loathe:

    He was written terribly during Punk Hazard. He does not do well as a hype tool. It worked in Alabasta where he recognized that Luffy did what he couldn't and told off the higher-ups in his most prominent, defining moment. It did not work when he was just smacked around for fifty chapters and is still supposed to be seen as an equal to Luffy, who was more or less doing fine the whole time.

    This is more of a nitpick but his appearance at Punk Hazard is kind of out of place in hindsight. While not really a rule, he seemed to be around for pinnacle moments in Luffy's adventure. He was there when Luffy left East Blue, he was there when Luffy toppled his first Warlord, he was at the battle that gave Luffy his most prevalent development to date. What was so special about Punk Hazard aside from it being the first New World island?

    Character: 4 out of 5; that first scene of him with the girl and the ice cream is all we needed to know about him. Gruff, hardened military man that is actually the biggest sweetheart. I'm just waiting for his inevitable clash with Luffy where he will (hopefully) really shine.

    Design: 4 out of 5; bad ass biker motif with bands of cigars on his jacket, a chiseled scowl, and the only man I've seen that can pull off that hair style.
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    Love

    The jitte. It's not fancy but I like the idea of a weapon with seastone.

    Good Boss to Tashigi. He gave her a nice speech back in Alabasta and generally always good avice

    Nice motocycle His ride at Logue town was pretty awesome.

    Getting beaten by Law.
    It was an effective way to hype Law and prove the new order in the new world.

    He made sure Crocodile would lose

    Loathe

    His cockiness
    I remember seeing him in calling Sanji weak back in Logue town when he tried to kick. And first thing I tought was "easy thing to say when you are intangible." That pattern continue to repeat itself for the whole first half grandline where he kept shutting people down like he was some grand fighter when all he had was being freaking intangible. It especially ticked me off when he mocked a group at 50M I think.

    His antigibility It definitely robbed me the wrong way that for the whole grandline no one could touch him. And what the hell is logia doing stationed at East Blue?

    The aura of cool he is suppose to have I think the easiest proof is how softly Oda kept him out in Alabasta and how we don't seem get destroyed by Handcock.

    His liberty He was stationed at East Blue but it seems that the marines just don't give a damn that one day he decided to hop on his ship and do wathever he wants.

    His work ethics Logue town like a place that someone like Smoker would really be useful in but he just decided his pride was more important than that. Also I'm sure he took the promotion anyway.

    The constant losses at PH
    Losing to Law is fine, losing to everyone is tiresome. I know he wants to show Tashigi how it's done but he shouldn't put so much energy in teaching jobing 101. At least, it confirmed that VA were the new Sea kings. Powerful beings contracted to being hype tool. I have that theory that it is in there contract and that Shichibukai actually get a nice discount in hiring a VA for hype. It's probably Tashigi's dream job. She can both claim to be strong and continue to job.

    Character: 2.5/5 I reaaaaally don't like his character but he is not a bad one. Just one I'm really allergic to especially the cockiness and badasness.

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    The results will come quite a bit late tomorrow, so in the meanwhile the hint: It's our first Straw Hat member...kind of. Well, I think he counts.

    Edit: Will be able to post the results in time now anyways.
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    Cody!



    Goddammit, you're useless!


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    "First" in like the "the first that we'll analyze", to further clarify. But man, compared to now Coby & Helmeppo sure used to be some ugly ducklings back then, huh?


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    Love: If you were to ask me who my fav Marine is, it'd be Vice Admiral Smokey. You would think his impassive appearance is the only thing he's got at first glimpse back in East Blue, but then he gives a little girl money to buy ice cream after "his pants ate it", showing that he's a good guy who's just doing his job. His smoke powers always looked like the Logia equivalent of Luffy's rubber powers to me, which I found cool, and that Sea Prism Stone tipped jitte (which I think isn't that large irl) screamed awesome in my head.

    He's the epitome of "everyone has a special view of righteousness, or right and wrong", in my opinion. Even though he's a Marine who works to put pirates behind bars, he'll call out the shady stuff his higher-ups do and "tell them to eat shit". I also like how Smokey sees Luffy as his #1 catch even though Luffy doesn't feel any sort of peril towards him.

    Loathe: Punk Hazard really gave poor Smokey a bad post-timeskip debut. He got thrown around by everyone during that arc, Law, Vergo and Mingo. The guy never truly got to shine in PH, or at all yet. Hopefully that'll change one day.

    Character: 4/5
    Design: 4/5
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    Kind of a Strawhat? Male?

    Jinbei?

    (Kind of hope it's Carue though)


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    Might be either Jimbei or someone from the Grand Fleet.

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    It's obviously Caesar, guys.
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    Cody!

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    Goddammit, you're useless!
    Why are you saying that? He was one of my favourites in SSF4.
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    Must be Caribou.

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    Either Cocoa or the cucumber.
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    Smoker's Arlong Park Evaluation











    The three most commonly loved things about Smoker:
    1. Badass with a Heart of Gold – If it's one thing his design and usual demeanor give off, it's that he is badass. I mean, he smokes two cigars at the same time! But beyond this cool facade lies a good-hearted man, who is there to help little children and that would do anything to protect his underlings.
    2. Own Sense of Justice - At the beginning of One Piece most Marines were power-hungry assholes. But then came Smoker: He was the first important Marine figure, who was a good person - someone adhering his own moral compass. This sense of justice even goes as far as letting his own target flee for the greater good and telling the greatest power in the world to eat shit.
    3. Powers & Equipment - His Devil Fruit power was the first to give Luffy a fair share of trouble. Additionally, he rides around on a motorcycle he powers himself (or used to at least), and stops his enemy with a badass Jitte equipped with Sea Stone on top!
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    To put it simple: Smoker is a badass. Not the type of badass that gets annoying because that's everything there is to him and he just becomes a Mary Sue. But if there is one word to describe him; it would be badass. He smokes two cigars for the love of god. TWO. I remember reading One Piece with my dad as a kid and we were both amazed at how cool it is to smoke two cigars. He's also proven he can kick serious ass, with a pretty cool devil fruit ability. But Smoker is also a very likable guy. He's a hero of his own story, a strict man of principle, but with a heart of gold and wellmeaning beneath it all. Like in that awesome moment when he gives the little girl money for the ice cream she spilled on his pants. Then of course the most iconic moment: Having no issues to tell the Gorosei to eat shit. That's kinda bonechilling in all honesty. In all honesty, Smoker is always a blast. Nothing gets worse when Smoker is involved and that is always a good freaking thing.

    The three most commonly loathed things about Smoker:
    1. Punk Hazard's Punching Bag - Almost everybody was kinda disappointed with Smoker's performance in Punk Hazard. He lost to 4 different individuals and really didn't make much of a splash. Smoker just didn't seem up to par anymore, which brings us to the next point...
    2. Wasted Potential - He is the man on Luffy's heels since back in Logue Town, one of his biggest rivals...but their relationship didn't really go much further. Sure, Smoker pinned Luffy almost down a bunch of times, but with the arrival in the New World he just doesn't feel like much of a threat to Luffy anymore - more like a leftover of a bygone time.
    3. Weak Usage of Devil Fruit - Back in East Blue, when Smoker got introduced as the first Logia user, his Devil Fruit sure seemed impressive, but nowadays? His main shtick always just was his intangibilty, but in comparison with other powers of the same type and with Haki being there, it just doesn't seem to cool anymore without the White Chaser showing off some more interesting moves.
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    Any notion of him being a serious rival to Luffy died at Punk Hazard. Not only was his performance really embarrassing, but it highlighted how...outdated he feels. The story, powers, and stakes have grown a lot between Alabasta and Punk Hazard, but he really hasn't. His gimmick is intangibility and a magic stick, neither of which amount to much of anything anymore now that the Haki arms' race is in full steam. The next time he and Luffy clash, we're going to be going, "pfft, Luffy can just go Gear Fourth and end it with King Kong Gun". Overall, Smoker feels like a relic left over from the time when One Piece was going to be shorter, simpler, and the power levels lower.

    In the end Smoker got:
    • an acceptable score of 3.71 for his character
    • and a very similar 3.73 for a well-made badass design.
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    Love and Loathe 2 - #5


    This time we will analyze our first animal character, but he is not just any animal: It's the leader of the Super Spot-Billed Duck Squad and Nefeltari Vivi's constant companion Carue!











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    At the end please give Carue two ratings:

    One for his character & actions in the story.
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    These must be between 1 and 5, with 5 being the highest (.5's are acceptable - ex. 1.5 or 4.5). I will tally these.



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    Love:

    - leader of super duper cool squad
    - funny
    - coward but brave
    - TEETH

    Loathe:

    - nothing. He's just purfect.


    Character & action : 5
    Look & design : 5

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    Love: Him.
    Loathe: Even though Oda tries to depict both him and Vivi as "honorary SH", in the end Carue never got enough attention to grant his own place. He is more like a bonus to Vivi than a member on his own. Wish he had at least one big moment that we could remember (even Conis got her bazooka scene).

    Character: 4
    Design: 4.5

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