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    Quote Originally Posted by S.C. Amigo View Post
    If it took Luffy nearly a whole day and with Nami's help to beat Cracker, Sanji is not going to beat Katakuri.
    That's just hype, amigo! Cracker has a Devil Fruit designed to stale forever. Once Luffy got near him, it was over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broccoli View Post
    That's just hype, amigo! Cracker has a Devil Fruit designed to stale forever. Once Luffy got near him, it was over.
    Now if Sanji and Jinbei can team up on him, and the Vinsmokes on Smoothie, okay I can see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daz View Post
    Sigh. This was pretty much exactly what I feared would happen from a “Sanji in a forced marriage!” setup.

    Apart from him not learning a damn thing and Oda recycling Viola, what baffles me is that Oda already had a perfectly valid foundation for a Pudding/Big Mom schishm, which was hinted at in the earlier flashback: Pudding doesn’t like being a piece on Big Moms chessboard, like Lola once was. But instead of building on that, we now get the completely new revelation that being bullied for her looks turned Pudding evil. Despite being in literally THE MOST INTENTIONALLY DIVERSE CREW ON THE PLANET, Pudding, who is Big Moms favourite, who showed off her eye to Big Mom no problem a few chapters ago, who has possibly the single most important (potential) ability in the crew, got bullied for her looks? At this point in the series a third eye is small potatoes in terms of design, and in this arc, of all things? Totland is a mashup of Willy Wonkas chocolate factory, Alice in wonderland, and some of the more out there Silly Symphonies, and it just happens that its most conventionally attractive resident is so insecure about her conventional attractiveness that Sanji can shatter her personality by paying her a superficial compliment? Despite her personality being pretty much pure sadism? She even says "Take a good look at the horrible sight of my third eye!!" Screw that.

    Besides that whole unfortunate business, I can’t help but be disappointed that Puddings Evil Conspirator potential just got seemingly nullified. I can’t fault the manga for not adhering to my preferences, but as is, it looks like we’re ending up with Big Mom as scheming villain and Vinsmokes as hapless victims. I mean, If this is played completely straight, and I’m supposed to care that boring Reiju and her crap family gets saved from eeeevil Big Mom….I wont.
    This. I groaned so many times reading this chapter when I saw this reveal. Sanji also being a dumbass and trying not to fall for Pudding's looks was extremely frustrating after seeing him at least trying to be serious when thinking about how to dodge the shot and how the plan will go down.

    I did laugh for a good 5 minutes seeing the Luffy clones all burst through the cake and BM's horrified look.

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    i'm sorry if people have already discussed this, but how did luffy and luffy clones make their way inside the cake from inside capone? any ideas?

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    With big mom being grossed out by kid puddings eye, but not telling her to cover it just a few chapters ago, I definitely think some memory manipulation was done. My guess is that pudding changed big moms memories to make her like the 3rd eye, maybe even the 3rd eye power of reading poneglyphs is fake and was just done to secure her position as favorite daughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gallowsx View Post
    i'm sorry if people have already discussed this, but how did luffy and luffy clones make their way inside the cake from inside capone? any ideas?
    Probably Mirrors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gallowsx View Post
    i'm sorry if people have already discussed this, but how did luffy and luffy clones make their way inside the cake from inside capone? any ideas?
    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    Probably Mirrors.
    That's probably what those guys dressed as cooks last chapter were doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleFishGuy View Post
    I would love Sanji to kick Katakuri's ass but it wont happen, How can he lose to Vergo but win against Katakuri? Unless he gets a huge power up.
    Because like I've been saying since PH, he didn't lose against Vergo.
    Both Sanji and Smoker could have won against him in different circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gallowsx View Post
    i'm sorry if people have already discussed this, but how did luffy and luffy clones make their way inside the cake from inside capone? any ideas?
    I was also confused about this.

    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    They probably sneacked a mirror inside the cake.
    So I guess it was part of these "preliminary preparations" that happened in the panel below?

    http://readms.net/r/one_piece/861/4142/9

    But why would they have to run that much this chapter if they had the opportunity to port inside the cake? It´s more likely the mirror was placed in the kitchen where the cake was baked, which was sealed off by Bege´s thugs last chapter, and they entered the stage from underneath the cake the same way the cake appeared?

    We´ll most likely get a short explanation at the start of next chapter.

    Anyway, I reread the chapter a couple more times and couldn´t help but laugh at Sanji´s ridiculous grimace :D
    The waking up Luffy scene was golden, too. But the highlight was the shoot Sanji panel sequence from where BM gives the signal to Sanji´s cool move.

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    Also, shouldn't we be discussing that we low-key saw Roger on the cover? That was awesome!
    I was expecting theories that the crocodile in Big Mom's crew was the same that appears on the cover at Roger's ship lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    Probably Mirrors.
    Actually, it seems like Luffy and Co didn't come out of the cake but rather smashed through it with their momentum from exiting Capone'a body. Capone was probably standing behind the cake at that point. Might be wrong though.

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    I think this is another one we should file under the underestimating the SHs folder. So, Big Mom really thought Pudding or the Priest will fire at Sanji and he will fall down and die? Really now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lao G View Post
    Actually, it seems like Luffy and Co didn't come out of the cake but rather smashed through it with their momentum from exiting Capone'a body. Capone was probably standing behind the cake at that point. Might be wrong though.
    There's a Mirror inside the cake probably.

    Capone is still walking through the party.

    What we see are luffy clones, it can be luffy and the other will come out of capone next chapter
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    I'm not sure I liked that chapter. Maybe it's because I don't like Sanji's "lovecook" face. Or the fact that up until the last few pages everyone was just standing and marveling

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    So when did Luffy become a master of Shadow Clone Jutsu?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lao G View Post
    Actually, it seems like Luffy and Co didn't come out of the cake but rather smashed through it with their momentum from exiting Capone'a body. Capone was probably standing behind the cake at that point. Might be wrong though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fraco View Post
    There's a Mirror inside the cake probably.

    Capone is still walking through the party.

    What we see are luffy clones, it can be luffy and the other will come out of capone next chapter
    How about is a mirror inside Capone and they were running straight at it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzi11 View Post
    I'm not sure I liked that chapter. Maybe it's because I don't like Sanji's "lovecook" face. Or the fact that up until the last few pages everyone was just standing and marveling
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broccoli View Post
    O.K. now:

    Luffy + Capone vs Big Mom
    Sanji vs Katakuri
    Jinbe vs Smoothie
    Pedro vs Baron Tamago
    Caesar vs Perospero
    Brook vs Amande
    Carrot vs Galette (although Carrot might probably be too strong for her)
    Chopper vs Mont d'Or
    Capone pirates we don't know about vs Big Mom pirates we don't know about

    Characters I don't know who to match against: Judge, ichiji, Niji, Yonji, Smoothie, Vito, Pekoms, Gotti, Chiffon, Nami.

    Notes:

    - Nami can use Zeus' and Prometheus' powers to get rid of most weaklings fast.
    - Brook can get rid of most homies (save for Big Mom's) instantly.
    - Jinbe should be able to resist Smoothie's abilities by having a perfect control over his body water.
    - Sanji specializes on CoO, just like Katakuri.
    I don't think we'll have complete fights. Maybe some, it will end in a draw or something like that. Yonko crew is still too powerful to be annihilated. Same could be said for SH's
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    Aww man Oda, you went and did the one thing I hoped you wouldn't doSeriously, I loved diabolically evil sadistic Pudding and like any detestable villain, I wanted her to get her comeuppance. But even if she doesn't get fully redeemed and becomes a good person all of a sudden, it's pretty apparent that after we've witnessed her breaking down and crying that she won't be beaten up in a fight by anyone anytime soon. It just wouldn't be fun anymore now. Other stuff was great, especially Sanji dodging the jellybean (that sounds like some sort of euphemism for something, lol) and the last page with a dozen Luffys jumping out of the wedding cake (of course he was planning on jumping out of the cake, what else :D).

    I even think Pudding's backstory makes sense and isn't that crappy and I kinda like Sanjis chivalry saving him, because I'm like one of the 5 people on this forum who don't hate his basic character trait. But it's just not satisfying at all to me. This isn't comparable to Baby 5 or Viola to me. Both were mere henchwomen. But Pudding has been such a huge bitch - I mean, up to like 5 minutes ago, she gleefully smiled at the thought of shooting one of the main characters in the head - that I actively wanted her to be treated as the despicable person she is. There is no way that she won't make a heel-face turn and start helping the Strawhats soon after this. I can't remember the last time I've been this disappointed by an OP chapter. Sigh..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraco View Post
    I don't think we'll have complete fights. Maybe some, it will end in a draw or something like that. Yonko crew is still too powerful to be annihilated. Same could be said for SH's
    too soon to fight a yonkou. I think he'll have to in two or three arcs but right now. We finally got the "full" display of a yonkou's crew's powers (the war i think we only got a glimpse). Now luffy knows what he is up against in order to face kaidou

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