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    I fucking like Morgans. He totally stole the spotlight at the page where... that other person cried.
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    I feel like these critiques of Judge not having the foresight to predict Big Mom would betray him wouldn't be as notable if we learned about the betrayal twist at the same time they did instead of as far back as Pudding's reveal, in which we've had a lot of time to digest that it's going to happen. There's really no concrete reason to expect that Big Mom would betray them unless you have hindsight bias. She has allied with many crews, including the Firetank Pirates and Sun Pirates, and is known to have a racially harmonious kingdom. The only potential clue to a shady betrayal would be the escort soldiers/guards not being permitted into the wedding, but you can easily argue that complying with this stipulation is a necessary sign of respect for making a personal mafioso-style deal. Desiring protection in what is supposed to be a civil negotiation or celebratory gathering, even if it is on a powerful person's home turf, would be considered rude and untrustworthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaido King of the Beasts View Post
    Given what Daifuku and Oven are doing, I'd say that's expremely unlikely. Yes, a major aspect is the size, since most of the Big Mom Pirates are your usual New World pirates. Luffy, who's a step above that, would be stronger than a lot of them, and people who are closer in strength to him would likely be able to defeat most of her crew members. We're not going to get a crew where all the members are as strong/stronger than Luffy individually. But they are most certainly a threat together, given the ride of hell they put Luffy through with their Devil Fruit powers during his fight against a ton of them. And that's not even mentioning the Sweet Commanders, who can actually give Luffy a tough one on one fight.

    It's just like Kaido and the Beasts Pirates; we know that Kaido and his Disasters are the top echelon, way above most New World Pirates. In his employ, though, are average New World pirates. Look at "Iron Boy" Scotch, the first member of the crew we ever saw. He's a competent New World pirate, able to wreak havoc on islands like, say, Randolph, Diesel, and Amande, with his sick machine gun. But Super Rookie Caribou managed to eventually defeat him. Same with the Red Hair Pirates, they got a guy named Rockstar who's far below the standard New World bounty and whom no one has even heard of. And who knows how many Whitebeard lackeys got their asses killed in Marineford.
    I completely agree with this. Let us also not forget how Brook clashed with Sheepshead in Zou, and the latter immediately getting one-shotted by Sanji afterwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    I say screw Oda for his way of portraying woman. So now Pudding is suddenly a character to be saved and charmed by Sanji gentleman charm.

    The chapter ended in a weird way
    I'm just glad that she is at least still hesitant to help the Straw Hats instead of immediately switching to the other side like Vivi, Viola, and Baby-5, even though they all had understandable reasons for defecting to the other side revealed afterwards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Koliber View Post
    I know we have 1587.13 characters in this arc, but damn, where are Smoothie and Tamago? Tamago has been one of the most prominent BM pirates, and Smoothie's a commander. They should have gotten at least a panel showing where are they in this whole mess. Unless Oda is preparing something with them (that would make Count Mario pretty mad though ).
    You know me so well. lol I wouldn't really mind that since they're villains and this is their home turf. One Piece isn't told from their perspective. But that all depends on what type of twist Oda has in store for them. Although I'm still pretty sure that Smoothie's either going to do nothing or only contribute in being an obstacle for Nami, Chopper, and Carrot with Galette and Amande. Oda making all of the females arbitrarily act as a group unit would be so like him.

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    I guess we are not getting Punk hazard cover story.
    Why can't we just have it confirmed already in an SBS or two-page length cover story or something? I'm sick of the unnecessary debates...

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    It's not. Would you prefer him cling to his pride? Yet, essentially experiencing everything he built crumble in less than a minute during what was to be his biggest triumph, ya know, death of his dream and junk. That along with the impending death of his children, who he actually care for.

    I think it should actually highlight how he's actually more like Sanji, and that seeming weakness is what led him to create his kids as he did.
    I've always been thinking that Judge's mentality stemmed from insecurities of his own weakness, so I'm on board with being a corrupt parallel of Sanji.

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    It's weird that Smoothie still does nothing I guess she might try to stop Nami's group but wouldn't a sweet commander be too much for them?

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    I fucking died when Brook ripped his mask off. Daifuku looks great too, but that part where he bitchslapped Sanji away just made me groan. Can Sanji not get to look good for more than 2 chapters? I know he'll probably get to beat Daifuku, but still. He's just been eating so much shit that anything like this feel jarring as hell. I was feeling a little bit worried when they said " oh boy, in three seconds she'll scream", that would certainly become horrible in the anime. But they opted out of it, which I feel is a pretty good idea to set up the remaining set pieces for the true gutpunch next chapter. Capone standing up to Katakuri makes me wonder if he'll see tomorrow. Katakuri will probably crush him next chapter, and then we get another cliffhanger where Big Mamu finally screams and they fire the rocket. The chapter after that I expect Big Mom to go completely berserk and kill everything in the vicinity.

    Brook is definetly still the MVP of this arc and I really liked Perospero just humiliating Judge too.

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    It's out on a Tuesday!?!?!?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ARTEMlS View Post
    I fucking like Morgans. He totally stole the spotlight at the page where... that other person cried.
    This is the Year of Morgans.

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    New urban dictionary, Vinsmoke (finsemok) : genius but naif, unorganized, Judge (jajji): crybaby
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Mario
    You know me so well. lol I wouldn't really mind that since they're villains and this is their home turf. One Piece isn't told from their perspective. But that all depends on what type of twist Oda has in store for them. Although I'm still pretty sure that Smoothie's either going to do nothing or only contribute in being an obstacle for Nami, Chopper, and Carrot with Galette and Amande. Oda making all of the females arbitrarily act as a group unit would be so like him.
    When Big Mom finally goes on a rampage much bigger than ever, I fully expect Smoothie to try reasoning with her, and to get one-shotted, in order to show what kind of threat BM is. This would probably be enough to force Charlotte and SHs to cooperate (I believe in cake-battle part of Greg's theory for this arc's conclusion). Also, if there is some connection between Smoothie and Tamago (which I find quite likely), Tamago trying to protect her would be typical Oda way of showcasing it. Given her portrayal so far, and general Oda's track record with women, chances of her achieving something on her own are almost nonexistent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Strooger
    Capone standing up to Katakuri makes me wonder if he'll see tomorrow. Katakuri will probably crush him next chapter, and then we get another cliffhanger where Big Mamu finally screams and they fire the rocket. The chapter after that I expect Big Mom to go completely berserk and kill everything in the vicinity.
    I will never understand OP readers predicting mass killings, wondering about character's survivals just because they are against strong opponents or searching for "death flags" (not everything directed at you, of course). I mean, come on!
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    I don't think we can complain much about the portrayal of woman in one piece in an arc focused on big mom.
    But I wonder where Amande is.

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    Who removed Brooke's head?
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    Jimbe's using CoA isn't he? Looks like the first instance that we can actually see it.
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    Mmmmm, Judge's tears are so delicious.


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    Even if this is an unexpected turn of events for Judge (He really, really, reaaalllyy deserves to die if he has no backup plan), his reaction make him look pathetic as hell. Compare to Luffy's reaction to Pudding's reveal in the book prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RomanceDawn View Post
    Jimbe's using CoA isn't he? Looks like the first instance that we can actually see it.
    He seemed to block an attack with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wintermute View Post
    Even if this is an unexpected turn of events for Judge (He really, really, reaaalllyy deserves to die if he has no backup plan), his reaction make him look pathetic as hell. Compare to Luffy's reaction to Pudding's reveal in the book prison.
    Yeah, and I think that's great. So far he's just been a massive dick and adding that part where he's emotionally torn up is enjoying, because he deserves it. And it also gives him something else than just being an angry, prideful old bastard. Hopefully Sanji will point it out later in the Vinsmoke comeuppance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzi11 View Post
    I don't think we can complain much about the portrayal of woman in one piece in an arc focused on big mom.
    But I wonder where Amande is.
    Of course you especially when the woman in questions has looked like a idiot and fool throughout the arc. Her son looks far more impressive than her in only a few chapters in he's been in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andre View Post
    It's not. Would you prefer him cling to his pride? Yet, essentially experiencing everything he built crumble in less than a minute during what was to be his biggest triumph, ya know, death of his dream and junk. That along with the impending death of his children, who he actually care for.

    I think it should actually highlight how he's actually more like Sanji, and that seeming weakness is what led him to create his kids as he did.
    I'm not talking about crying alone, but the fact they got caught that easily.

    And let's not pretend Oda is writing a dramatic masterpiece here. Judge's 180 turn feels totally awkward in light of everything we've seen from him so far. And if Oda decides to show his more emotional side in another flashback, so be it, but it doesn't change what it looks like now. Awwwwwkward.

    If Oda wants to make readers more sympathetic to Judge, he could have done it in a less simplistic way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Mario View Post
    I feel like these critiques of Judge not having the foresight to predict Big Mom would betray him wouldn't be as notable if we learned about the betrayal twist at the same time they did instead of as far back as Pudding's reveal, in which we've had a lot of time to digest that it's going to happen. There's really no concrete reason to expect that Big Mom would betray them unless you have hindsight bias.
    I suppose the problem with making it a twist is that it would seems kind of coming from nowhere. And on top of Bege's betrayal it would be a bit much.
    She has allied with many crews, including the Firetank Pirates and Sun Pirates, and is known to have a racially harmonious kingdom. The only potential clue to a shady betrayal would be the escort soldiers/guards not being permitted into the wedding, but you can easily argue that complying with this stipulation is a necessary sign of respect for making a personal mafioso-style deal. Desiring protection in what is supposed to be a civil negotiation or celebratory gathering, even if it is on a powerful person's home turf, would be considered rude and untrustworthy.
    And that's why I never participate in the whole Vinsmoke are stupid. Every prior points to Big Mom upholding her end.

    I'm just glad that she is at least still hesitant to help the Straw Hats instead of immediately switching to the other side like Vivi, Viola, and Baby-5, even though they all had understandable reasons for defecting to the other side revealed afterwards.
    Princesses playing bad to gain a chance at hurting the dictator of their country is something I can side with. Vivi is awesome. Baby 5 & Pudding getting saved due to their maiden heart underneath is what I loathe especially the presentation(marriage&boner).

    I just find her hesitations silly at this point.


    Why can't we just have it confirmed already in an SBS or two-page length cover story or something? I'm sick of the unnecessary debates...
    Pretty sure Oda wants us to consider them dead and there's no debate in his mind. Even Sabo was confirmed dead in a less visual situation. But I think the forum had a old bet relating to this issue.

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    Okay chapter. Brook continues to be the best thing about this arc. Aside from him, a few neat new powers, and watching Judge cry, not a lot happened. Weirdly enough, I think I'm more excited to see Cavendish again than what happens next in the main story (and I like the main story).

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    Quote Originally Posted by le crystal View Post
    Mmmmm, Judge's tears are so delicious.

    Yup

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    DAIFUKU IS SO COOL!

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