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    Mmm sure, it's not really related to what we were talking about. See Luffy only managed to say: cook and musician, he didn't include doctor, navigator, shipwright, all roles essential for a ship to operate.
    But he still said cook and musician. Thus cementing them in stone early on as foreshadowing for a cook and musician being needed. Except the latter always got treated as a gag.

    Also, Zoro tells Luffy on top of that page that they need a navigator too.

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    But the point of this has nothing to do with what Luffy said.

    Blissed was talking about how no one would care if a helmsman was not introduced unlike a chef. Regardless if Luffy said it or not, anyone, but Luffy, could cook. Only after the timeskip that Sanji role as a cook has been evolved and made Sanji a better nutrisionist.

    And Luffy said two roles, which none were essential for the ship, therefore it is okay that a helmsman position was not mentioned or heavily emphasized earlier. Because most importantly, a navigator can guide and give instructions to everyone on the ship. However as we saw thid was not enough.

    The shipwright position wasn't touched upon until Skypeia, if I remember correctly, when the Starw Hats were well into their journey.
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    But Blissed was talking about how the story never emphasized the need for a helmsman like a navigator, cook, doctor, and shipwright. And I posted a picture of the story emphasizing the need for a cook position even if several crewmates can technically cook. Although these pages support both points that we are saying lol:

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    Nami could have done it as long as she got paid.

    We still kept seeing the ship get wrecked a lot, and Skypiea was still two arcs before Water 7.

    Also, I just noticed that Mihawk is reported to actually occasionally go to the Baratie to eat. That is kind of cool and funny lol:

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    But you know Luffy will say a chef because he is a glutton.

    I know, it never has. But I am talking implicitly.

    Seeing the ship get damaged, made us think on how to repair, what to do when the damage is already done. Few will think on how to prevent said damage.

    So I disagree that never would no one complain. The fact is, this is supposed to be a sea that only one ship was able to tame. East Blue had sea monsters, and the terrors of a realistic world ocean. After the Starw Hats got their ship, and all the way to Paradise (not even the full thing) Nami's skills allowed them to avoid many dangers. Franky comes in so that even if Nami could not help avoid damages, then Franky will keep the ship in top shape. Something was missing in the mix, a Fishman that could take them along without suffering serious damage.

    Jimbe surfed tsunamis as a kid, do you think the Sunny would need wings to go up the knock up stream with him at the helm?

    Anyways this was all to say, Jimbe is pretty badass.

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    Yea I don't remember the exact chapter for every little thing, but all the essential roles were stuff that the story made clear that they needed:

    Navigator: Luffy explicitly wanted one, as Count pointed out
    Chef: Luffy explicitly wanted one, as Count pointed out

    Doctor: Ch. 94. Additionally, it become more glaring when Nami fell ill back around the Drum Island arc.

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    Shipwright: Ch. 303

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    Glad I actually went to check regarding the helmsman role; it had slipped my mind that Luffy had explicitly stated he wanted a shipwright. I had been under the impression for quite some time that it was technically an exception. But yea, all four roles, Luffy has wanted them, or the story made it obvious that they needed said role anyhow. To Luffy, these four roles were important. Yes, it is similar to the helmsman position in that they're only relevant when Oda wants them to be. (Zou for the doctor role, chef for this current arc) But at the same time, it's extremely obvious as to why a pirate crew would have positions like chef or doctor filled. Even when Oda isn't having them show off their professions in flashy ways, naturally you'd still want them on standby in case you're hungry or sick. Same thing with a navigator, you obviously need to know how to get to where you want to go, and as for a shipwright, Oda made it clear that their pirate ship isn't invincible, so someone needs to take care of it.

    Helmsman on the other hand... not so much. To my knowledge, he's never explicitly asked for such a role to be filled. And we as a audience aren't really led to believe that it is this super important, needed role either. They got past trials such as traveling to Skypeia, several members have steered the ship with little fuss. And arguably most importantly, said role was not filled until after the timeskip. Anything that's absolutely essential should've been added before entering the New World imo. Yea, we know the New World is crazy and all, but again, he has yet to have pushed for such a role. Oda could just make it so that they get through the rest of the series without one, and I wouldn't even care. It's a bonus role, the icing on the cake, albeit Oda will in the future now make important, despite not needing to. From my perspective, Jinbe needed to contribute something, and this was just the most obvious choice, which Oda has now confirmed.

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    I have already addressed all of those points. Maybe it's because I grew up by the coast, and my grandfather is a sailor, but the concept of a helmsman was on my mind as I read One Piece. Mainly because Luffy did not really take the role of steering the ship in the traditional way a protagonist would.

    Imagine that instead of a ship, it was a plane they traveled. Sure, they could all probably...do some sort of piloting, but there would come a time, especially because there are battles, that a specialist pilot would be needed, no matter if they had the navigator, mechanic, the doctor and the musician. Oh yeah, and the cook.

    The truth is, a lot of times the crew has depended on coup de burst to escape. They were trying to do the same against a tsunami, that was how they escaped of any danger they cannot handle at sea. The first half of the trip cost them a ship.

    Have you played Skies of Arcadia, it's about pirates, but instead of navigating the seas, they fly across the skies with their ships. The main character, was the captain, and yes he steered the ship, many other did so as well. Regardless, one of the crew members you could recruit was helmsman. So it's not like this is a foreign concept.
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    I played Skies of Arcadia and I remember the Dopplegangers. Holy crap. Even if Luffy never specifically stated he would need a helmsman, he has specifically asked Jinbei to become a crew member. He's pretty much semi-confirmed to be a crew member, regardless of if the role is required or not. He has something to contribute to the ship.
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    Skies of Arcadia is such a beautiful game, I love it.
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    Reading about the conflict between Long Leg and Long Arm tribes, I remembered the conflictual relationthip between Brook and his managers and that's when I asked myself :

    What if BROOK was a LONG LEG ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schopper View Post
    Reading about the conflict between Long Leg and Long Arm tribes, I remembered the conflictual relationthip between Brook and his managers and that's when I asked myself :

    What if BROOK was a LONG LEG ?
    We saw his legs. There is no two joints.
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    Long-legs have the normal number of joints as opposed to long-arms, actually.
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    Yeah, you are right. But I believe they are twice the size of a human leg. As in a leg above another leg.
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    Is flowing mochi a proof of kata being logia? Or he's still considered paramecia and that is something related to awakened dfs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fraco View Post
    Is flowing mochi a proof of kata being logia? Or he's still considered paramecia and that is something related to awakened dfs?

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    lol wrong thread
    Katakuri is a paramecia.

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    Devil fruit labels change virtually nothing. He has the same abilities we’ve come to know from a Logia type devil fruit. Special Parmecia or Logia is pedantic when discussing what he can do.

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    This convo about helmsman is futile. Of a has used writing techniques to emphasize they need number on the crew he's the only one who has been really outspoken about how they appear to the outs8de world and he's really up on world events and such, if you go back in the story it shows how well each member will fit cause a slight emphasis was show for what they can do for the crew going forward. Same has been done for jimbei
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    Damn, I'm back late to the party. Caught a head cold over the weekend. Blah.

    I'm aware of the '10 men should be enough' line that Luffy made in the beginning and they're up to 9 excluding himself, so I agree 11 isn't able to be ruled out but I would have to conclude that if there is to be a tenth member, we haven't met them yet, and I'm hoping it's a female if that is the case, though I'd be fine with things staying as they are; if the Tontatta back in Dressrosa happened to be actual fairies and capable of using some kind of magic, that would have been the perfect final nakama but they turned out not to be quite what was speculated. Also, Jimbei being their Helmsman just showed him surfing the damn ship through the green room part of a wave, who else but a guy like him could do that? Plus with a strong melee fighter like him as a Helmsman, he makes a good foil for Blackbeard's Helmsman, Burgess. And like I said, he doubles as a lifeguard too, not to mention he can talk to fish (not sure even Chopper can understand them, can he?) So his position is pretty solid and if someone else joins, there's nothing practical left for them to fill, so they'd likely be more of a Robin, where their skill is unique and only useful to someone becoming Pirate King rather than just being on a pillaging crew.

    The fishing pole weapon I had come up with actually is more complex than I described, I was just using Sha Gojyo's weapon as an example of how it functioned as a lashing weapon, but the chain part would just be the fishing line, not an actual metal chain, and on the end of the pole opposite where the line and hook are, there'd be a trident tip (since that's a signature of the underwater folk anyway). Then I thought of giving it a Devil Fruit to bring to life like Lasso or Funkfreed or the guards from Impel Down, and thought a giant spider would be cool. So it can basically use its spider web threads as the fishing line and shoot it out and retract it at will, and be used like Batman's grappling hook guns. I just thought a Fishman who had that as his weapon/partner would have been a great idea if Jimbei ended up not joining, but he did and I've got no complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwtape View Post
    Katakuri is a paramecia.
    Yes I know, it was a rhetorical question

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    Devil fruit labels change virtually nothing. He has the same abilities we’ve come to know from a Logia type devil fruit. Special Parmecia or Logia is pedantic when discussing what he can do.
    Thanks for the lesson, still it's the first time we see a Paramecia having a Logia behavior. Have you ever see a Paramecia doing something like flowing mochi? Or dodge like him?
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    Boy, Oda sure knows how to make characters stand completely still for a good period of time.

    Since the last break ended, Big Mom is literally doing the exact same thing. Except now on Nuts Island.

    I can't wait til she snaps out of this. Its high time for some more Charlotte Linlin exposition.
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    Damn, I'm back late to the party. Caught a head cold over the weekend. Blah.

    I'm aware of the '10 men should be enough' line that Luffy made in the beginning and they're up to 9 excluding himself, so I agree 11 isn't able to be ruled out but I would have to conclude that if there is to be a tenth member, we haven't met them yet, and I'm hoping it's a female if that is the case, though I'd be fine with things staying as they are; if the Tontatta back in Dressrosa happened to be actual fairies and capable of using some kind of magic, that would have been the perfect final nakama but they turned out not to be quite what was speculated. Also, Jimbei being their Helmsman just showed him surfing the damn ship through the green room part of a wave, who else but a guy like him could do that? Plus with a strong melee fighter like him as a Helmsman, he makes a good foil for Blackbeard's Helmsman, Burgess. And like I said, he doubles as a lifeguard too, not to mention he can talk to fish (not sure even Chopper can understand them, can he?) So his position is pretty solid and if someone else joins, there's nothing practical left for them to fill, so they'd likely be more of a Robin, where their skill is unique and only useful to someone becoming Pirate King rather than just being on a pillaging crew.
    But we only found out that Jimbei could be an awesome helmsman, more skilled than any other ordinary helmsman, a few chapters ago. Before then, helmsmen were never special at all. It was an interchangeable role. If Oda could make the helmsman role work that good out of nowhere, he can sort of plug any occupation into the crew and make it work well. Pirate crews didn't have archaeologists, but Oda made that work too. All Brook even does is only play music because it's a pirate stereotype. So yeah, another Robin can work. Or just a random role Oda really likes for whatever reason.

    The fishing pole weapon I had come up with actually is more complex than I described, I was just using Sha Gojyo's weapon as an example of how it functioned as a lashing weapon, but the chain part would just be the fishing line, not an actual metal chain, and on the end of the pole opposite where the line and hook are, there'd be a trident tip (since that's a signature of the underwater folk anyway). Then I thought of giving it a Devil Fruit to bring to life like Lasso or Funkfreed or the guards from Impel Down, and thought a giant spider would be cool. So it can basically use its spider web threads as the fishing line and shoot it out and retract it at will, and be used like Batman's grappling hook guns. I just thought a Fishman who had that as his weapon/partner would have been a great idea if Jimbei ended up not joining, but he did and I've got no complaints.
    Oh, a trident tip and Devil Fruit empowerment. That would also be kooky and cool lol.

    An idea that I liked that I got inspired to have from a friend is a crustacean zoan. It would look and act bug-esque to distinguish itself enough from Chopper and be skilled in defense by using its shell to block and parry attacks. And it could also maybe dig holes and punch as fast/powerful as a mantis shrimp. Oda's never done a crustacean Zoan before some reason. He considered making Inazuma a crab Zoan instead of a scissor person. But one of the Gifters in Kaido's crew has a crab claw, so I guess that's out of the window.

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