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    Volume 88 is scheduled to be released on March 2, 2018 !


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    We're still two or three (probably two) chapters from the end of the volume, and no chapter titles stand out as the volume name just yet.

    The one problem with villain covers is that there's never much to predict or anticipate for the next one. We know exactly how it's going to be arranged and can make educated guesses at 90% of the characters who'll be on there already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    We're still two or three (probably two) chapters from the end of the volume, and no chapter titles stand out as the volume name just yet.
    I think that Zero Escape or Beyond the Yonko's Expectations can work. But yes, none of them are particularly great.

    All I want is for Jinbe to be up-front. In either Oven or Perospero's position.

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    If we're looking at near parallels, I'd put Sanji kicking the cake in Big Mom's spot with Jinbe, Luffy, and Bege down front, left to right.

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    Carrot will be where Galette was

    We've a couple chapters more to go but so far Beyond the Yonko's Expectations or Way of Life sounds the best for volume title



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    Pedro exploding will be all the way in the back replacing Pekoms.

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    march 2
    so this means only 3 volume will be released next year for one piece

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    At a glance, chapter 889 feels like it could be the final page of this volume. It hits the minimum pagecount, and "be prepared to abandon ship" is a fairly good cliffhanger, but I'll honestly be pretty disappointed if that's where it leaves off. See, volume 88 starts with Luffy facing off against Katakuri alone, Sanji running off to cook and Big Mom bearing down on the Sunny and ends... well, exactly the same way at this point. Just one more chapter feels needed here, either to confirm the loss of the Sunny, for the cake to arrive, or for a surefire sign Luffy's turned the tables in his bout.

    We need one big forward movement so the volume readers don't feel like they've run around for 200 pages and ended right back where they started. Though, it could kinda work to name the volume for chapter 880, so the content works with the title to emphasise there being no way to escape. But I'd still rather see another chapter in there and proper development to wrap on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    At a glance, chapter 889 feels like it could be the final page of this volume. It hits the minimum pagecount, and "be prepared to abandon ship" is a fairly good cliffhanger, but I'll honestly be pretty disappointed if that's where it leaves off. See, volume 88 starts with Luffy facing off against Katakuri alone, Sanji running off to cook and Big Mom bearing down on the Sunny and ends... well, exactly the same way at this point. Just one more chapter feels needed here, either to confirm the loss of the Sunny, for the cake to arrive, or for a surefire sign Luffy's turned the tables in his bout.

    We need one big forward movement so the volume readers don't feel like they've run around for 200 pages and ended right back where they started. Though, it could kinda work to name the volume for chapter 880, so the content works with the title to emphasise there being no way to escape. But I'd still rather see another chapter in there and proper development to wrap on.
    I have to completely agree with you here. This feels like a volume ender, but not a good one. It just goes to show how long this chase part of the arc has lasted. An entire volume and we've barely moved from how it began. I have been liking this arc a lot, but the pacing has fallen so damn low. We started off so fast until the wedding, but ever since it has been slow as hell. Get the cake into Mama's mouth already. I still feel like we will be out of Totto Land by chapter 900, so volume 89 should be the last one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrior View Post
    I have to completely agree with you here. This feels like a volume ender, but not a good one. It just goes to show how long this chase part of the arc has lasted. An entire volume and we've barely moved from how it began. I have been liking this arc a lot, but the pacing has fallen so damn low. We started off so fast until the wedding, but ever since it has been slow as hell. Get the cake into Mama's mouth already. I still feel like we will be out of Totto Land by chapter 900, so volume 89 should be the last one.
    I agree that things have been slow, and the last 10 chapters or so have been a definite low point compared to everything from the infiltration to the wedding especially for this storyline. The main cast have quite literally been stalling for time for the last 200 pages.

    However I wanna make it clear I'm not the kind of poster who goes "nothing happened" every week. Even though Luffy and the Sunny have been essentially trapped in limbo, their stalling has given Oda time to wrap up the Sun Pirates and Pound's subplots, have the actual baking of the cake take a reasonable amount of time and face a few challenges, give us some good character interactions between Sanji, Pudding and Bege in that area of the plot, and even set up some nice moments for Jinbe and Carrot in the main plot. Those are all good things that needed to happen, but finding the time to get them in there has made for some awkward pacing in the broader scheme of things. (perhaps not dissimilar to the way in early arcs Luffy would get stuck in a rock or eaten by a snake so the crew could finish their 1v1s independently)

    Isolating the last 10 chapters into a volume will make the issue doubly obvious for readers who use that format. Adding one more chapter with a legitimate forward movement for the main plot at the end will make it seem a lot more worthwhile and build the hype for the next volume that much more than what we have now.

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    It's true that starting a volume with a chapter named "No escape" and having it go full circle would be something (though that something wouldn't be good writing), but I'm pretty sure the volume isn't ending here. Why? Look at what actually happens in chapter 880: the cake baking starts. As of 889 it's almost finished and we see Sanji is on his way to meet up with Sunny. So the logical thing to do would be for the cake team to arrive at the end of the next chapter. It's like when we started volume 83 by introducing Ichiji and Niji and concluded it by making them arrive on WCI, or actually even better because chapter 880 (and by extension volume 88) opens with Pudding arriving to start cooking. Oda made some weird choices in regards to volume enders in the past, but he's been rather good with them lately. And that would be partial explanation to the sloppy pacing (aside of Oda remembering he has fuckton of unresolved stuff and no place to include it naturally).
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    Again, I have to completely agree with the last 2 comments. Despite this chapter having the potential of being a volume finisher, it does feel like the next chapter might have a decisive breakthrough moment and it could be the completion of the cake and maybe its arrival in sight of the Thousand Sunny and pursuers. It would give another impetus and a fitting end to such a volume. I also agree that the "main" storyline having ground to a halt is not the same as "nothing happening". There have been many good action moments between Luffy and Katakuri, including the reveal of his secret with the donuts gag, the cake cooking and escape to sea at the expense of Oven, Pound's big moment, Praline and the Sun Pirates hypnotizing the sea slugs... Quite a few nice story moments. But the scenes of the pursuit have just been feeling so repetitive, I don't know. I think Oda could just stop focusing on that side for some time and speed things up a bit. But maybe he is making it on purpose to end the volume on a specific scene, who knows.

    Actually I just reread the last 10 chapters at fast speed and it all flowed much more nicely than I expected.
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    Are there even that many pursuit scenes in this volume? Brulee's cohort attacking, the wave escape, and the past two chapters are all I can remember. Otherwise the focus of the volume is the Katakuri fight, with the Sunny escape and the cake baking coming in at various intervals.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaido King of the Beasts View Post
    Are there even that many pursuit scenes in this volume? Brulee's cohort attacking, the wave escape, and the past two chapters are all I can remember. Otherwise the focus of the volume is the Katakuri fight, with the Sunny escape and the cake baking coming in at various intervals.
    Looking over the chapters so far, I'd say it's a pretty even split between the baking saga and the Katakuri fight with the Sunny escape weaving in and out. First half of the volume emphasises the fight, but it's dropped off hard after Luffy escapes with Brulee, only really showing that he's come back for round 2 after that. The baking is definitely the strongest through line for the volume, since it's where we start and should be, as Koliber suggested, where we end.

    The pursuit is a definite minority of screentime, and I certainly don't hate it as part of the story, but my stance is it would be bad for volume 88 as a book to leave it unresolved in a state so close to how it started. If the release dates really do align to give us only 3 volumes next year, we want them all to be as good as possible.

    It would be nice if the four month gap between this volume and the last one guaranteed more chapters buuuuuut there's just not a consistent precedent to work with on that front...

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    Now that I'm thinking, in my last post I was quite sure the next chapter would be Sanji's big arrival, but I noticed that I'm assuming a big role for Vinsmokes in the climax of this arc. If it's not the case then "Mama on the ship" might be this one-chapter-threat specifically designed to be their moment to shine (like the ones Pedro, Bege, Pound, Jinbe and recently Carrot got). In this case, Sanji's arrival/cake being finished might be delayed and only happen in 891. But what we often forgot is that 12 chapters in a volume is a thing post-timeskip; the volumes when it happened are 63, 69, and 77, there's obviously no pattern here, but it shows that making one long volume in 2-3 years is something Oda/Shueisha/whoever-else-that-is-responsible decided won't hurt their business too much, so in particular, it wouldn't hurt to make 88 into such. So my current guess is: the volume finisher is either 890 or 891 whichever has a major (concluding) cake development; if both have one (so 890 - cake being finished, 891 - cake being delivered), then I'm leaning toward 890.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koliber View Post
    Now that I'm thinking, in my last post I was quite sure the next chapter would be Sanji's big arrival, but I noticed that I'm assuming a big role for Vinsmokes in the climax of this arc. If it's not the case then "Mama on the ship" might be this one-chapter-threat specifically designed to be their moment to shine (like the ones Pedro, Bege, Pound, Jinbe and recently Carrot got). In this case, Sanji's arrival/cake being finished might be delayed and only happen in 891. But what we often forgot is that 12 chapters in a volume is a thing post-timeskip; the volumes when it happened are 63, 69, and 77, there's obviously no pattern here, but it shows that making one long volume in 2-3 years is something Oda/Shueisha/whoever-else-that-is-responsible decided won't hurt their business too much, so in particular, it wouldn't hurt to make 88 into such. So my current guess is: the volume finisher is either 890 or 891 whichever has a major (concluding) cake development; if both have one (so 890 - cake being finished, 891 - cake being delivered), then I'm leaning toward 890.
    How's it feel to have prettymuch called the title of chapter 890 days in advance?

    I've learned not to count on 12 chapters being a thing just because it is so damn rare. I'd personally hoped vol 84 would go that far, to end on the Pudding reveal instead of the 'farewell' cliffhanger but Oda shot me down there. Chapter 890 is no more a volume ender than 889 was, as much as I enjoyed the actual chapter. Hell between the two I'd predict 889. But if 891 gives us either the cake arriving or the Vinsmoke cavalry riding in, it'll probably be that.

    And if it's worth anything to the possibility of 12 chapters, volumes 69 and 77 were also preceded by a 4 month gap. (but so was the ten chapter long volume 73, and volume 63 had the usual 3 months so there's no reason to take that as a guarantee of a longer volume)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    How's it feel to have prettymuch called the title of chapter 890 days in advance?
    Well, what can I do, I'm just that good.

    Anyway, even less has happened this chapter than what I predicted (doesn't make it bad), and yes, it's even worse for a volume-ender than 889 was. So my current guess is: concluding cake development in 891 and 891 being a volume ender. If there's nothing like this in 891 that means Oda screwed up with the pacing (well, he still sorta did regardless, but not necessarily as bad).
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    Yeah, so as I predicted we have cake finally finished and (almost) arriving this chapter. So now I'm pretty sure the volume 88 is chapters 880-891, title likely "No escape" though honestly like half of them would be quite fitting and they sometimes seem to be chosen at random (I don't know what's with th trend of calling volumes after the chapters). As for the cover, I guess what most people are expecting:
    *Sanji, Pudding (maybe with nitro) and Chiffon on Rabiyan in place of BM and homies
    *Luffy in center with Jinbe and Bege on his sides
    *rest of SHs directly behind them and maybe Fietanks and minor chefs even further
    *no Vinsmokes or the cake, they're for the next volume
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    Yeah this looks like a volume ender and arent there less pages compared to normal or was there just a few more doble spreads this week, I read ot super quick
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    It was the normal 17 pages, nothing different to the usual.

    But yeah, this is a good spot to end it. The cake pursuit is at an end. We've got Luffy on the ropes but starting to figure out how to get ahead for some suspense on the other end of the spectrum. It feels like more of a complete chunk of story than it would to wrap on Big Mom boarding the Sunny in 889. That's just a bit too easy a cliffhanger.

    That said, 890 starts with that one page where we zoom out from BM's landing and we just have her crew expositing about her being thinner and nimbler than before. Basically the same things are said by the same characters on page 15 of chapter 889. Put the two chapters back to back in a volume and it's almost the same lines being repeated 6 pages apart, which is kind of awkward. Put 890 at the start of a new volume, however, and it feels more naturally like we're reminding a returning reader what's going to ease them back into the action. Plus, ending there could mean that volume 89 ends on chapter 900, which I'm sure Oda would love to do.

    Don't get me wrong, I'd much prefer 12 chapters in vol 88, but it's these little things, plus the general rarity of 12 chapter books, that make me not want to hold my breath for it.

    "Zero Escape" for volume title, and we basically know how the cover will look already. And if 10 chapters does happen, hopefully that means either a shorter wait or higher pagecount for vol 89 instead. God knows we'd have enough loose chapters to swing it by the time vol 88 is out.

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