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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Mario View Post
    Thank you for catching that. But I still count that as a bad cutting off point since it comes halfway between Ace vs. Blackbeard. It forces readers to buy one whole volume, one that starts a whole new arc too, just to read one more chapter. And that volume is only ten chapters long, so there is no excuse. Although this supports your theory, as much as I dislike that potential reality of cheap salesmanship. And while this happened years later, it is even the only reason Viz's second box set has 23 volumes instead of 22. Which is awkward considering how the next box set has Thriller Bark in the name yet doesn't even have the arc's beginning.

    I didn't know who to blame it on. So I'll make sure to blame Oda, like I do with every other nitpick I have about this manga. So much for giving him the benefit of the doubt this time lol.
    Cheap tactic or not, sales figures suggest it's working :P

    Creating cliffhangers and never leaving an installment feeling like everything's wrapped up is just a reality of sequential storytelling. It goes a long way to make sure the non-diehard-fan reader stays engaged and keeps coming back. Dude wants his comic to sell, can't hold that against him. You'll find it in most volumes of most manga. Hell, even Jojo, with the most obviously distinct arcs ever would put the end of one part in the same volume as the start of the next in most cases prior to part 6.

    That said, I am also a bit annoyed at how it screwed up Viz's attempt to group the volumes by arc for their banners/box sets. Viz could have handled that better, but Oda didn't give them the best foundation to build a system like that on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossword View Post
    In the case of Vol. 52 not ending on chapter 513, I believe the reasoning was that the price of the volumes were going up (by like the equivalent of a quarter or thereabouts) and Oda said in either an SBS or an interview around that time that he wasn't going to do eleven-chapter volumes anymore since he didn't want what he saw as his primary audience (kids) to have to pay an additional surcharge. Chapter 513 would've been the eleventh chapter of Vol. 52 had it been included, and I think since then Oda's backed away from that stance since we've had more eleven-chapter volumes since and even one or two twelve+ ones (albeit with shorter chapters than normal).
    Now this is interesting info. I haven't had much reason to pay attention to Japanese prices, obviously, so do the more recent longer volumes actually cost any more than the shorter ones? But if that is the case, I guess it raises the question of whether or not he originally wrote some of these orphaned eleventh chapters to be in the previous books and changed his mind. We may never know.

    (we've had three 12 chapter books, 63 and 78 had short chapters, but all of 69's were actually full length, 19 page installments. Needless to say, it's the longest volume of OP by a significant margin)

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    Cheap tactic or not, sales figures suggest it's working :P

    Creating cliffhangers and never leaving an installment feeling like everything's wrapped up is just a reality of sequential storytelling. It goes a long way to make sure the non-diehard-fan reader stays engaged and keeps coming back. Dude wants his comic to sell, can't hold that against him. You'll find it in most volumes of most manga. Hell, even Jojo, with the most obviously distinct arcs ever would put the end of one part in the same volume as the start of the next in most cases prior to part 6.

    That said, I am also a bit annoyed at how it screwed up Viz's attempt to group the volumes by arc for their banners/box sets. Viz could have handled that better, but Oda didn't give them the best foundation to build a system like that on.
    Nah, I ain't for that. My selfish OCD demands clearcut endings when you can meet them. I will not budge on this. Especially when this is what western comic book collections aspire for, whether they're volumes or omnibuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Mario View Post
    Nah, I ain't for that. My selfish OCD demands clearcut endings when you can meet them. I will not budge on this. Especially when this is what western comic book collections aspire for, whether they're volumes or omnibuses.
    Aye, fair enough, I'm certainly not gonna say you're wrong to want that. The manga industry is gonna do what it does tho.

    If it's worth anything to you, the logs tend to group things a bit better, and the eventual kanzenbans probably well as well. But best of luck trying to wait for the former in English and the latter at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    Aye, fair enough, I'm certainly not gonna say you're wrong to want that. The manga industry is gonna do what it does tho.

    If it's worth anything to you, the logs tend to group things a bit better, and the eventual kanzenbans probably well as well. But best of luck trying to wait for the former in English and the latter at all.
    I'm planning on waiting until there are at least four One Piece box sets to start collecting One Piece physically. But if the logs start getting localized before then, I might just consider getting them instead. So thanks for the heads up!

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    I'm planning on waiting until there are at least four One Piece box sets to start collecting One Piece physically. But if the logs start getting localized before then, I might just consider getting them instead. So thanks for the heads up!
    Like I said, I wouldn't hold my breath, not with the 3 in 1 volumes being a thing. And like, those are good value in terms of price to pages, but just pulling three full volumes at once makes for even weirder blocks of story in each book. (my personal hope that they'll start doing the colour version, and do it in log book sized collections, but hey, I'm a bit of a dreamer)

    But yeah the box sets seem a good way to go. I've got all the individual volumes and even the ones with slightly weird end points still make for satisfying chunks of story. Plus, when you've got the set, you can just keep on reading if you don't like there it stops.

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    Found it. It's in the SBS for chapter 517 in Vol. 53, which isn't included in the Viz version for some reason. The reader asks about changes in the volume release schedule, and this is the meat of what Oda says:
    Also, while I'm at it I'm going to announce that the other thing I mentioned in the SBS about having eleven-chapter volumes will no longer occur. About the previous volume, they increased the price slightly for all JUMP volumes. At the same time, they told me that fitting in eleven chapters would mean a twenty-yen bump. If you end up paying twenty more yen for a volume it's not much of a bonus anymore, is it? So in the future there will only be ten chapters in a volume, max.
    Twenty yen is the rough equivalent of twenty cents, so I hope no one told Oda that we Americans had our prices bumped up by the equivalent of nearly 215 yen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossword View Post
    Found it. It's in the SBS for chapter 517 in Vol. 53, which isn't included in the Viz version for some reason. The reader asks about changes in the volume release schedule, and this is the meat of what Oda says:

    Twenty yen is the rough equivalent of twenty cents, so I hope no one told Oda that we Americans had our prices bumped up by the equivalent of nearly 215 yen.
    Huh. No wonder I missed that then. Though I can see the thinking in cutting it, discussing the pricing of the Japanese volumes isn't going to mean much to the average western reader. I guess they must have worked something out with the cost of printing the books then, because he sure didn't stick to ten. And yeah, you reckon he'd have an aneurysm if he saw what the English volumes are worth by the time they reach Australian retailers? It's nearly four times the yen value listed for the latest volume on Amazon.jp!

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    Maybe it's an unpopular opinion, but I don't like Flanpee's character very much. But knowing that Oda likes sometimes to put minor characters in covers, and given her participation in this volume, I'm really afraid that she'll be in the cover, laughing behind while Luffy and Kata fight in the foreground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chams View Post
    Maybe it's an unpopular opinion, but I don't like Flanpee's character very much.
    I don't think that's an unpopular opinion.

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    She sucks.
    Somehow Japan probably has a spot in the top 20 of the next popularity poll for her.

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    My pals at the Charlotte Flampe Official Fan Club will be disappointed by all these haters

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    So chapter 890 to 900 include:
    - Big Mom wrecking havock on the Thousand Sunny
    - the final stages of Luffy vs Katakuri
    - Snakeman
    - Sanji and Pudding finishing the cake
    - Showdown on Cocoa Island
    - Return of the Vinsmokes
    - Reunion of the Strawhats
    - Big Mom finally eating that dang Wedding Cake
    - Possible Destruction of the Thousand Sunny

    That's a lot of stuff

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    I think Oda can push for an extra chapter to be included if he REALLY wants it, but then has to cut back on SBS stuff and well, its not a demand even he can push too often where they just eat the cost of the extra pages to keep the price the same. (Yes, even as much as OP sells the cost of those pages has to come from somewhere. It might even be possible he has to take that hit himself when he makes that request.)

    But yes, it's really odd and akward that there's been multiple places where it would have been super nice to have a nice clean cut and end a volume on a good spot.


    Not even Dragonball is immune to this. Volume 2! (yes 2!) actually has 13 chapters rather than the 12 the rest of the series has, so that it can have the start of a new story in the final chapter rather than stopping on what seems like a finale note with the dragonballs used and everyone going their seperate ways. And of course, Toriyama probably originally paced it to end with volume 2 in case it didn't catch on.

    And of course end of the Piccollo Jr. fight goes into volume 17 and then there's a timeskip and that's where Z starts... which due to Viz splitting the series leads to them packing in two or three more chapters into volume 16 than usual... which does actually lead to a clean ending and stopping point.

    So those examples also considered, I have to think the not having clean story breaks at the end of a volume is super intentional... they don't want readers deciding they can stop there. (Not that the crew scattered cliffhanger wouldn't drag people back?)

    Nothing will ever be as bad as HxH though which flat out had a series ending chapter, then made sure the next chapter (and the last in the volumes) set up a brand new arc just to assure people it wasn't actually ended.

    And then he went on a hiatus so it took like two years for the next volume to hit.
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    Volume 89 will consist 216 pages which will be 11 Chapters From Chapter 890 to 900.

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    Arent 11 chapter volumes rare, for oda to do this just for 900, which really didnt bookend much is a little odd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScotchInformer View Post
    Volume 89 will consist 216 pages which will be 11 Chapters From Chapter 890 to 900.
    That's perfect end to the volume.

    Quote Originally Posted by Long John Silvers Rayleigh View Post
    Arent 11 chapter volumes rare, for oda to do this just for 900, which really didnt bookend much is a little odd.
    900 makes for a good cliffhanger.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Long John Silvers Rayleigh View Post
    Arent 11 chapter volumes rare, for oda to do this just for 900, which really didnt bookend much is a little odd.
    based on what i know, its common to have 9, 10, or 11 chapter, but rarely oda make it 8 chapter only, or 12 chapter only, but we also have that before


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    Quote Originally Posted by silver_planet View Post
    based on what i know, its common to have 9, 10, or 11 chapter, but rarely oda make it 8 chapter only, or 12 chapter only, but we also have that before

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    It's good to have the actual numbers for this debate laid out, nice work. I'm standing by the idea of 11 chapters for volume 89.

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    I think I recall kishimoto making a volume have 13 chapters to fit completely the sasuke vs itachi fight. If kishimoto can get that done, then Oda definitely can

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    Yeah, it'd be ridiculous if Oda didn't get the 900 cliffhanger at the end of the volume. Even if the cliffhanger's tone kinda sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the surrounding story, ain't nothing like a little shock and awe to get volume readers pumped.



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