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    Quote Originally Posted by Blissed View Post
    Didn't it inadvertently leave them in a position where the Sun Pirates could change the currents and help the Sunny escape without it being affected?
    Oh yeah you're right. But the switch doesn't make sense anyway, Wadatsumi could just have put the Sunny in his mouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedron View Post
    It's not that.
    For the BM pirates to mistake the Sunny for another ship, it means that Wadatsumi should've waited for the Chanter to fire (which is not even indicated in the chapter) and in the milliseconds between the cannonballs being fired and the cannonballs hitting the ship he should've made the switch. It defies even shonen logic to me, it's more impressive than Katakuri's future sight.
    And more importantly, there's no way that could ever be a plan.

    The worst part is: that impossible feat succeeded but then they noticed the swap anyway. So that asspull wasn't even useful to the plot but it was just cheap suspance.
    Replacing the ship would still be a better idea than just taking it away even if it hadn't been done at the last second. So long as the Big Mom Pirates continue to see a ship there they'll be more instinctively likely to open fire on it even if the ship is slightly different, whereas they'd immediately notice the complete absence of a ship.

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    So if last chapter didn't ended with a ship in flames then it would be okay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedron View Post
    Oh yeah you're right. But the switch doesn't make sense anyway, Wadatsumi could just have put the Sunny in his mouth
    And Oven would attack anyway because he would see Watasumi put ship its mouth, with switch atleast would give them some time to escape the scene ,unfortunately for them(fishmen) they gain only few seconds or a minute at most.


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    The switch and the crew being alright after the cliffhanger is no worse than Kuma using Ursa Shock on the exhausted Strawhat crew and Rolling Pirates on Thriller Bark.

    Same thing, no chapter the next week, everybody wondered what would happen since this mysterious Warlord just used what looked like a huge bomb attack right in the middle of this crowd of characters.


    And the next chapter, some people just were knocked out. Zoro, Sanji, Brook, and the Risky brothers were all well enough to just stand up after too.

    Oda does these kinds of cliffhangers every once in a while. The only real question this time was if the Sunny was damaged/how much it was. Oda literally left a false flag behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Md-Martin View Post
    The switch and the crew being alright after the cliffhanger is no worse than Kuma using Ursa Shock on the exhausted Strawhat crew and Rolling Pirates on Thriller Bark.

    Same thing, no chapter the next week, everybody wondered what would happen since this mysterious Warlord just used what looked like a huge bomb attack right in the middle of this crowd of characters.


    And the next chapter, some people just were knocked out. Zoro, Sanji, Brook, and the Risky brothers were all well enough to just stand up after too.

    Oda does these kinds of cliffhangers every once in a while. The only real question this time was if the Sunny was damaged/how much it was. Oda literally left a false flag behind.
    But it just turned out it wasn't strong enough of a blast to kill anyone. It's not like there was a convoluted explanation as to why everyone survived and some of them were left standing.

    Yeah, there have been some exaggerated cliffhangers over the years, but this one takes the cake easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shezar View Post
    And Oven would attack anyway because he would see Watasumi put ship its mouth, with switch atleast would give them some time to escape the scene ,unfortunately for them(fishmen) they gain only few seconds or a minute at most.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaido King of the Beasts View Post
    Replacing the ship would still be a better idea than just taking it away even if it hadn't been done at the last second. So long as the Big Mom Pirates continue to see a ship there they'll be more instinctively likely to open fire on it even if the ship is slightly different, whereas they'd immediately notice the complete absence of a ship.
    If you put it that way, then I can agree.
    It would still be a pretty wacky plan though, I mean the BM pirates have this ship swapping happening in front of their eyes, it's not like they couldn't see Wadatsumi (and they actually saw him). Weirdest distraction plan ever.
    It can make sense but I still can't see this as good writing choice, it's way too cheap. There's no way all of this didn't happen just for the sake of the cliffhanger.

    Quote Originally Posted by KageKageKing View Post
    So if last chapter didn't ended with a ship in flames then it would be okay?
    Probably yes.
    It looks like Oda came up with the coolest idea to make Big Mom song more creepy, but then he didn't put much thought on the aftermath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shezar View Post
    ...To make readers discuss or guess what happened ? Every author does this ,not really something new.
    You can make cliffhangers that don't try to deceive. It's the difference between "what will happen next?" (good cliffhanger) and having to give a new perspective on facts already presented for a less satisfying conclusions.

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    Chapter comparisons time~ Quite a few today:
    • Official translation name for the chapter: "Don't Let Even Death Stop You!"
    • Perospero says in Mangastream "I've never seen such an expression of ecstasy", like he hasn't seen one in general. In both Jaimini's Box and VIZ, he's talking specifically about Big Mom, with the official version being "I've never seen such bliss on her face before". Also, in MS, Aladdin is telling Wadatsumi to carry "us" far away, but in JB and VIZ, he says to take "them" far, far away.
    • Smoothie refers to Wadatsumi as a "monster" in the scanlations, but instead as a "sea monk" in the official translation.
    • The scanlations also have Oven's attack name as "Hot Sea Torpedo", both with translator's notes about what the kanji read. The official version goes with an alliteration, calling it "Tropical Torpedoes".
    • In JB, Wadatsumi says "The moment we decided to come help Big Boss and Straw Hat is when we made up our minds!" In MS and VIZ, he instead says that they made this decision when Jimbei said he was going to join the SHs, with the VIZ wording being "Fwom da moment Boss Jimbei said he was gonna join Straw Hat, we knew what we hadda do!"
    • In the scanlations, Jimbei refers to the Sun Pirates as the rear guard to ensure the ship gets away. In the official version, he says he (Jimbei) will fulfill this role.
    • When Luffy is giving his speech to Jimbei, there's a speech bubble in a panel with cannons firing that says in MS "We can't stop them!", which sounds like it's coming from someone on one of the enemy ships. In JB, this panel says "We'll escape, but...", which indicates it's Luffy talking and this is part of his speech. VIZ has it say "We're not stopping the ship!" which leaves it ambiguous as to who's talking there.
    • Jimbei calls Luffy "Captain" in the MS version, but that doesn't appear in either JB or VIZ.
    • In MS, Big Mom says that if Luffy isn't dead yet, she'll "go make sure he is". In both JB and VIZ, she instead says that she's "going [there]", as in traveling to Luffy's location.
    • When Morgans and Stussy are hearing the reports about the SHs' escape, in JB it sounds as though they're listening to the report coming from one of BM's ships (as it says "We're going to lose sight of the ship!") MS and VIZ, however, make it sound like this report is coming from someone else: "They'll lose sight of the ship soon!"
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    No false flag was left behind the sunny always had two flags, you can see one broke off when wadasumi grabbed the ship

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    This made me so mad lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain M View Post
    I reckon the divide between one arc and another is pretty arbitrary and just based on what feels right. Some are nearly impossible to exactly pin down though.

    Like the end of Thriller Bark for example. Cutting it at chapter 489 means you don't get the monsters in the fog, which caps off the arc perfectly. But going all the way through 490 gives you stuff that's very obviously the start of the Sabaody storyline. It feels like the arc ends halfway through the latter chapter, really.
    Same thing happened with Dressrosa. 801 only contains Dressrosa for about five pages then it's gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaido King of the Beasts View Post
    Replacing the ship would still be a better idea than just taking it away even if it hadn't been done at the last second. So long as the Big Mom Pirates continue to see a ship there they'll be more instinctively likely to open fire on it even if the ship is slightly different, whereas they'd immediately notice the complete absence of a ship.
    The front is a giant fish it's more than a little different. he plan is just silly in-universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BellisarioFaith View Post
    Official translation name for the chapter: "Don't Let Even Death Stop You!"
    Thanks! Glad to know they found a way to make it sound less mentally defective in the official version than the "Don't die even if you die" we've been hearing.
    The MS version, "Don't die even if it kills ya" was the one improvement I think over JB in that regard, since it sounds almost like Luffy's making a joke, and aware of the silliness of the statement he's making. But the official one fits the serious tone of the statement better.
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    It's all the same thing to me. Just a figure of speech that doesn't make sense literally.

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    No, I think it's another DEATH FLAG !
    Jinbei will die off-screen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    No, I think it's another DEATH FLAG !
    Jinbei will die off-screen
    They don't need a member who disobey their captain

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    I personally prefer the phrase sounding as absurd as possible. I think it conveys better the idea of Luffy forbiding Jinbe to die under any circumstance (the fact something is ordering another to not die doesn't make sense in itself, so it shouldn't try to sound logical).

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    Quote Originally Posted by theackwardstation View Post
    You can make cliffhangers that don't try to deceive. It's the difference between "what will happen next?" (good cliffhanger) and having to give a new perspective on facts already presented for a less satisfying conclusions.
    But is quite normal for authors to try to deceive their readers for mutiple of reasons like the use of a red herring, doesn't make a bad thing for doing so ,they exist so we the readers discuss about them ,then come to some sort of conclusion, "this fake because x" or "thus guy is there so its y", as long it doesn't break any know rules within than fiction world there shouldn't be problem.

    What new perspective? The pieces were all there from the start and capable of events we saw and they(fishmen) were caught quite immediately because the plan had quit few holes now they are forced to stay behind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    The front is a giant fish it's more than a little different. he plan is just silly in-universe.
    I won't deny it's at least a little silly, but that's natural given that it was thought of in seconds. But a giant fish is still more likely to briefly trick than the ship's absence.

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