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    Quote Originally Posted by fana View Post
    I don't like this development at all.

    Even if we see some arcs with Deku struggling to master all quirks, it can only lead to a point where the MC of this manga will massively overpower every other heroes (the gap between All Might and Endeavor will be nothing next to that) which feels unnecessary because the original quirk was already enough to make him the future strongest but also because the villain's development will have to be ridiculous for that kind of power to be necessary.
    We know the final villain will be Shigaraki with All For One + Decay. Sounds ridiculous enough.

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    Yeah, people thinking there will not be a prison break arc when Gigantomachia destroyed half a mountain and with the High-End Nomu class are deluding themselves.



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    After this battle I hope the secret of OFA ends being shared with more people, maybe all of class A. Uraraka, Iida and Aizawa at the very least, no idea about what kind of excuse All Might and Deku will come up for the other though. And even though I am not a fan of Deku getting six new quirks, I am curious about what he will get.

    On the other hand Deku shouldn´t be able of using the other six quirks besides superstrenght without making people wonder how is that possible. I mean, the only guys with multiple quirks are AFO and his Noumus/HighEnds, people would be right to be suspicous of him, police included.

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    So, Deku is officially Beet the Vandel Buster now?


    as for everyone complaining about Deku having too many abilities... LOTS of the powers already have a shitload of subpowers. The obvious is fire and ice boy Todoroki, who has two completely seperate fire and ice powers and are very clearly distinct.

    But then you have Tsuyu. Her power is "anything a frog can do." But that includes
    -super swimming
    -super jumping
    -long prehensile tongue that can lift 150+ lbs (at least one person)
    -stick to walls
    -sticky stuff from her stomach
    and just recently after actively training her quirk but not something she developed in her normal life
    -camoflauge invisibility.

    And though it hasn't been showcased, I assume frog stuff includes underwater breathing. And as just a physical side effect, big hands. feet and eyes, which might all also have further applications if you consider the byproduct applications of that. Better vision underwater or in multiple directions or whatnot, especially with the goggles.

    That's a LOT of powers lumped under "does Frog stuff"... and one of them is a brand new discovery. Similarly, Ejiro went from "can make his body tough" to "can make his body full blown rock armor", which looks and acts completely differently, despite being within the theme. Tokoyami has an entire other personality attached to him that can go berserker or work or as a shield or a spy... and he only recently learned how to fly with it! And you have others working and refining their powers to get better range or more power and thinking through new applications.

    So Deku, who everyone knows only recently came into his quirk as a very late bloomer, and has been making use of equipment to radically alter his fighting style to a leg based style and create long range attacks, still discovering applications shouldn't be too offputting... everyone even initially assumed his new thing WAS exactly that, some crazy implementation they hadn't thought of before. Given that his power initially kept crippling him, you don't have to assume his quirk is "super strength", especially since he's able to channel it into speed as well. So just chalk it up to "I assumed my quirk was super strength, but now I think it's more like channelling energy to different parts of my body! And now I can shoot it out past even that!" and that works as a semi plausible utility. At least, for the first quirk or two. Once he gets to four or five, if they're all too visually different and varied, like he starts getting ice powers, well, that might be harder.


    Granted, then you get guys like "has a tail" and "has a belly laser" that are way less interesting and versatile seeming but... can probably come to new applications if the author ever decides to really grow them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oga Simpson View Post
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    Maybe I am being too pessimistic but in recent years there's been a few series that took a real turn for the worse and just never recovered. Toriko and Beelzebub spring to mind. I don't think that's gonna happen with MHA but I can't help but have that same sinking feeling
    I'm still sore about Toriko. :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oga Simpson View Post
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    Maybe I am being too pessimistic but in recent years there's been a few series that took a real turn for the worse and just never recovered. Toriko and Beelzebub spring to mind. I don't think that's gonna happen with MHA but I can't help but have that same sinking feeling
    Unlike Toriko and Beelzebub, there is an actual good anime adaptation to boost it's popularity.

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    Robby brings up a good point about some characters have a ton of additional abilities anyways. But how are the secondary characters going to stay more or less in Deku's power class in a natural way as he scales up with overlapping skills? Shonen stories kinda start to break down when a character just says they trained really hard. Or we get random plot devices/power bumps that make little sense. Or strangely never get an explanation. *stares at Zoro's ashura ability and Sanji's hot legs.*

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBits View Post
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    I don't believe Hori had this planned out since the beginning. If he did, then why would he reveal it now? Why not during, say, the fight with Muscular, a fight where Deku won because he pushed his emotions to their limits, which his how his new quirks are (seemingly) going to activate? Or how about after the All-Might vs. AfO arc, which was clearly written as a turning point in the story, and where the legacy of OfA was more thematically relevant?

    Instead, Deku suddenly has a weird dream one night after an unrelated arc about Endeavor, and we get more context for it during a school activity. Feels a lot more random and sudden.
    He had to get a higher percentage of the power in control. Also the dude said it was because he was so pissed at Monoma that his quirk started acting on its own inside deku's body
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    Isn't one of the driving praises behind My Hero Academia the fact that it doesn't rely on shonen crutches too much?
    One of my friends absolutely hates shonen (to the point of preferring FMA 2003 over Brotherhood), but he adores MHA and says it's shonen done right.

    So personally, I'm not worried about the other students needing to stay in Deku's power class.
    I don't get the sense that they need to. Remember that everyone is a hero in their own ways.
    It's not ALL about being able to kick everyone's ass.

    Remember what the license exam preached. KNOWING YOUR ROLE is a vital part of heroism.
    Crime fighting and disaster relief are team efforts for the most part, and you slot into roles where appropriate.

    This series puts a huge emphasis on what Sanji told Usopp during Enies Lobby.
    We all have things we can and cannot do, and we must use our knowledge of such things to figure out the best tactics.
    It won't be 100% about power levels, power scaling or immense battles for the whole cast.
    It will be about heroism and fighting for justice in general, and everyone just has to do their best.
    Like Kirishima successfully stalling time for Fat Gum in the Overhaul arc by tanking that huge blow.
    Or Mount Lady literally throwing her face in the way of Compress during Bakugo's rescue.

    THAT'S the spirit of this series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDL View Post
    Isn't one of the driving praises behind My Hero Academia the fact that it doesn't rely on shonen crutches too much?
    One of my friends absolutely hates shonen (to the point of preferring FMA 2003 over Brotherhood), but he adores MHA and says it's shonen done right.

    So personally, I'm not worried about the other students needing to stay in Deku's power class.
    I don't get the sense that they need to. Remember that everyone is a hero in their own ways.
    It's not ALL about being able to kick everyone's ass.

    Remember what the license exam preached. KNOWING YOUR ROLE is a vital part of heroism.
    Crime fighting and disaster relief are team efforts for the most part, and you slot into roles where appropriate.

    This series puts a huge emphasis on what Sanji told Usopp during Enies Lobby.
    We all have things we can and cannot do, and we must use our knowledge of such things to figure out the best tactics.
    It won't be 100% about power levels, power scaling or immense battles for the whole cast.
    It will be about heroism and fighting for justice in general, and everyone just has to do their best.
    Like Kirishima successfully stalling time for Fat Gum in the Overhaul arc by tanking that huge blow.

    THAT'S the spirit of this series.

    I would like if the author could actually stick to that but he always chicken out and revert back to just the flashy battles.

    The License exam second half is a good example. We had a good chance to focus on other aspects on heroics but than we hd to have a villain crash the scene and focus on the fight.



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    The series could definitely stand to do a better job of highlighting things that only Deku's classmates can do. Even more so due to the new development, and especially in arcs that actually involve the villains.

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    So is it explained why All Might never experienced this phenomena with OFA? If it is, I'll gladly accept the For Dummies version. My memory is a little foggy but he was aware of what happened with Deku at the first tournament right? Now all of a sudden there are these other aspects that All Might is surprised by after decades with the quirk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateRich View Post
    So is it explained why All Might never experienced this phenomena with OFA? If it is, I'll gladly accept the For Dummies version. My memory is a little foggy but he was aware of what happened with Deku at the first tournament right? Now all of a sudden there are these other aspects that All Might is surprised by after decades with the quirk.
    It was just explained this chapter.

    Basically the power has grown and evolved each iteration and its just now hitting the breaking point.
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    The quirk singularity has arrived.

    Check a few months back, that it seemed like Deku had plateau'd as he hasn't broken a bone (and not have Eri attached) for like 100 chapters, and One for all was behaving.

    Since the begining one for all was two quirks, as long as it stays in the realm of "not super healing" (that would have made a ton of sense for a pick for a quirk that meant "break your bones by using it"), and complements rather than go against his fighting style (like a beam, or elemental powers), I'm going to give it a pass. Besides one or more of the quirks could be just "super strength" and that explains the logic leap of 9 people punching up (2 of them being regular humans) doesn't alter the weather

    Mostly because there was a 2 page whinning in this thread about it, even though the fact that One for All was strongly hinted at to have more secrets back during the first Shinso fight.

    What I don't like is the training continuing after this. It feels superfluous and shortsighted.
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    I'd also be content if Eri's ability was what jump started this development.
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    One of the reasons I keep coming back to this forums is that of the seasoned readers and objectivity as compared to subreddits/forums where they'll probably murder me.
    Also the debates.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
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    So, Deku is officially Beet the Vandel Buster now?


    as for everyone complaining about Deku having too many abilities... LOTS of the powers already have a shitload of subpowers. The obvious is fire and ice boy Todoroki, who has two completely seperate fire and ice powers and are very clearly distinct.

    But then you have Tsuyu. Her power is "anything a frog can do." But that includes
    -super swimming
    -super jumping
    -long prehensile tongue that can lift 150+ lbs (at least one person)
    -stick to walls
    -sticky stuff from her stomach
    and just recently after actively training her quirk but not something she developed in her normal life
    -camoflauge invisibility.

    And though it hasn't been showcased, I assume frog stuff includes underwater breathing. And as just a physical side effect, big hands. feet and eyes, which might all also have further applications if you consider the byproduct applications of that. Better vision underwater or in multiple directions or whatnot, especially with the goggles.

    That's a LOT of powers lumped under "does Frog stuff"... and one of them is a brand new discovery. Similarly, Ejiro went from "can make his body tough" to "can make his body full blown rock armor", which looks and acts completely differently, despite being within the theme. Tokoyami has an entire other personality attached to him that can go berserker or work or as a shield or a spy... and he only recently learned how to fly with it! And you have others working and refining their powers to get better range or more power and thinking through new applications.

    So Deku, who everyone knows only recently came into his quirk as a very late bloomer, and has been making use of equipment to radically alter his fighting style to a leg based style and create long range attacks, still discovering applications shouldn't be too offputting... everyone even initially assumed his new thing WAS exactly that, some crazy implementation they hadn't thought of before. Given that his power initially kept crippling him, you don't have to assume his quirk is "super strength", especially since he's able to channel it into speed as well. So just chalk it up to "I assumed my quirk was super strength, but now I think it's more like channelling energy to different parts of my body! And now I can shoot it out past even that!" and that works as a semi plausible utility. At least, for the first quirk or two. Once he gets to four or five, if they're all too visually different and varied, like he starts getting ice powers, well, that might be harder.


    Granted, then you get guys like "has a tail" and "has a belly laser" that are way less interesting and versatile seeming but... can probably come to new applications if the author ever decides to really grow them.
    I can't help but feel like this is an apples and oranges situation.
    None of Tsuyu's powers involve anything unbelievableoutside what a frog can reasonably does and even the most far-fetched one isn't an overpowered ability and is either explained or weaved into her theme.
    Maybe once she starts balloning up and hurl herself with an impact of a cannoball.
    Ejiro's might be for aesthetics purpose but it doesn't change the core of what he does. He can hit harder and tank greater hits. It still falls into his ability-playground without breaking the rules established.
    That is how it is.
    I mean, I don't want to but it's probably easier to convey but take one piece for example.
    You have completely bs powers like Kuma's fruit and Big Mom's ability but everything Oda does with the characters, he made sure that it falls within a set of rules he established for said characters.
    Big Mom can't cause earthquakes, she has to put a soul into the earth to cause an earthquake or something. That's because she doesn't have whitebeard's df.
    In the context of Deku, what you have said with his implementation of tech and his legs is exactly how it should have been.
    He shouldn't have a black whip power given to him, instead maybe he can use his super strength to somehow create something similar. Heck, there's still a list of things he can do to be creative with super strength.
    It's two vastly different situations because black whip doesn't fall into "subcategory" but is a completely new ability.
    It's further evidenced by the fact that it has almost literally nothing to do with his base powers and if one of them can be a clutch that the author will use in the future for story telling, what makes it unlikely the other six won't?
    With Tsuyu or fire ice boy, there are believable limitations.
    Todoroki probably can create a mini sun at his peak and we can believe that but he's not going to be able to create explosions from nothing.
    Now with Deku it's "a magical bag of deus ex machina whenever I write myself in a corner".

    It's the same thing with Jojo and HxH.
    Established rules.
    Creative use of powers with limitations.
    You break ground with exceptions but really in situational chapters and keep it to a bare minimum.
    Don't want to go making this about other manga but you get what I meant.





    Quote Originally Posted by MDL View Post
    Isn't one of the driving praises behind My Hero Academia the fact that it doesn't rely on shonen crutches too much?
    One of my friends absolutely hates shonen (to the point of preferring FMA 2003 over Brotherhood), but he adores MHA and says it's shonen done right.

    So personally, I'm not worried about the other students needing to stay in Deku's power class.
    I don't get the sense that they need to. Remember that everyone is a hero in their own ways.
    It's not ALL about being able to kick everyone's ass.

    Remember what the license exam preached. KNOWING YOUR ROLE is a vital part of heroism.
    Crime fighting and disaster relief are team efforts for the most part, and you slot into roles where appropriate.

    This series puts a huge emphasis on what Sanji told Usopp during Enies Lobby.
    We all have things we can and cannot do, and we must use our knowledge of such things to figure out the best tactics.
    It won't be 100% about power levels, power scaling or immense battles for the whole cast.
    It will be about heroism and fighting for justice in general, and everyone just has to do their best.
    Like Kirishima successfully stalling time for Fat Gum in the Overhaul arc by tanking that huge blow.
    Or Mount Lady literally throwing her face in the way of Compress during Bakugo's rescue.

    THAT'S the spirit of this series.
    That's cool and all but one can argue that the spirit of the series is you can be who you can be with enough hard work and if you want it enough.
    I mean, I don't think "KNOWING YOUR ROLE" was in the pilot because deku literally charged into suicide knowing full well his role as quirkless is to...you know, not kill himself.
    Him not knowing his place or accepting his "role"/"destiny" kind of started this entire thing...so...
    Unless you meant that thing about no matter how much hard work and how much you want it, sit the fuck down and just do your best in the job that you don't really want but excel in it because that's your role in the society.
    Then I guess that's what you're talking about and the message he's trying to send.
    Usopp's role in Enies Lobby is VASTLY DIFFERENT from anything you mentioned here.
    You can't just tell someone who dreams to be the very best in something to "do what you can do best because you know uh, you kind of suck at what you want to do" and then we go all flowery and do fluffy hugging.

    It works in One Piece because Usopp never wanted to be some kind of strong fighter or willingly become stronger through fights, at that point in time the people he knew was getting stronger so there was this illusion that he was lacking because he's not like the monster trio but then he has this niche that he excels so damn well in that ALIGNS with his motivations and who he aspire to be. He's proud of his sniper skills, he wants to become a braver dude and wasn't at the stage of fighting giant giraffes and a killer werewolf.
    It's not "knowing his role" as much as dude, he will die and he doesn't even want it.
    I don't think winning a fight against those monsters(what he's not good at) is a step towards his dream of being a brave man of the sea(what he wants) but he would have fulfilled it right there and then.
    See? It only works when we have a window into the character's motivations.
    Luffy is already a brave man of the sea and is working towards being Pirate King, that's what he wants.
    Usopp is not a brave man in his mind but he wants it and he is working towards it because being a good sniper on a well-known pirate crew(what he is good at) does align with his motivations.
    They are essentially in two different playing fields, raking up different kind of achievements that help work towards their different dreams.


    You bring up characters like Kirishima, Mount Lady and Fatgum and all those work in those situations because there is no personal stake in it.
    We have no idea what their dreams are: like literally anyone in One Piece "sailing the seas, fighting navy, robbing villages" because motivations is to be a pirate so that's "know my role!"
    Just because they are "heroes" doesn't relegate their roles to "fight villains" and "do good things".
    That's kind of the problem in the long run too.

    It's also entirely about the setting.
    You can't just write an entire world with the focus of superheroes and the ones that are really at the top being strong in combat.
    And then pull this bs like: hey so you see this dude with 6 different powers and going to be some kind of god? Why don't you just stand aside with your hypnosis-talk-thingy and uh, accept arresting some shoplifter or something?
    Further creating a vastly wide slope for every character involved.
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    Unlike Toriko and Beelzebub, there is an actual good anime adaptation to boost it's popularity.
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    Idea for Deku’s cover-up explanation: his quirk in actually enhanced genetic recessive quirk apparition, he can manifest quirks of his family tree in an enhanced form. If no one goes digging it might stick.


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    There's so much to unpack with how much you misunderstood my "knowing your role" comment.
    Like wow.... I'm genuinely impressed at how mistaken you were about the entire meaning of my whole post.
    Especially the thing about Kirishima and Mount Lady.

    Each time I thought I was done replying, I reached your next point and thought "huh???"
    So I scrapped the reply with a resigned sigh.

    To sum it up: We're thinking of two entirely different contexts for the quote itself,
    and switching them should make my point about Kirishima/Mt Lady more obvious.

    Just because they are "heroes" doesn't relegate their roles to "fight villains" and "do good things".
    This right here sums up your failure to understand me, because I didn't mean to imply that at all.
    In fact, considering what I ACTUALLY meant, most of what you said in general felt like words being put in my mouth.

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    I once read that Shonen Jump Manga, beyond the friendship, effort, victory, the casual dire sexism, the collect friends out of enemies, and powerup after powerup after powerup is all about Rules and bending/breaking them.

    "No person can have two devil fruit powers"
    "There is no way that you can survive namek Exploding"
    "This person with 6 trillion skills can't be defeated"
    "A person turned into stone and shattered can't be restored back to life"
    "Bronze saints can't aproach the speed of light"

    Besides, in this case it was "A strenght accumulation quirk" plus a "quirk inheritance quirk", this isn't about the strenght one, is about the inheritance one, if it could bestow the accumulation quirk, why wouldn't it transfer the other quirks as well? The roadmap was already set.

    The friction is "why didn't happen before", as it was touched upon this chapter. I have to admit, is not satisfying, the quirk randomly growing or this singularity stuff seemed to be about kids getting stronger quirks faster than society can addapt, but the result is more trouble for Deku, and 5 other quirks (as of the 9 users, he's got the original, himself and Toshinori accounted for) to spice up things.

    Speaking of the predecesors, Deku didn't recognize any of them, but also he din't seem to recognize Nana, so villains? vigilantes? He could learn about Nana's quirk pretty easily, gran Torino and Toshinori should know, but that leaves 2 faces and 2 misterious people left to investigate.

    Is the series ruined because Deku got more powers that he can handle? Wasn't that the premise of the first volume? I mean when he starts soloing villains groups, or even this excercise, you will have a point.
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