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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    Well we went the entire grandline pretty much encountering Pirates destroying every opposition and Pirate hunters being a joke so I can understand why the sudden super strong citizen seems like an ass pull.
    That's why people shouldn't mistake a tendency for a rule. Strong people in One Piece usually come from a strong environment, which means they'll probably have associated themselves with pirates or marines, but that's just the normal way. There's nothing preventing anyone from becoming a martial artist that is in a trial for strength without becoming a criminal or a cop. You don't even need to be a bounty hunter, but a guard from a country or a reclusive person in the woods... especially because talent is an important factor in this series. Some people are special.

    It's far from an asspull, a technical mistake that people throw around very lightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    The one I call an asspull is the super Duper Ultra secret CP0(or a lot of choices in marineford).
    CP0 is not a secret organization. They are a public organization.

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    I still say Fugitora doesn't use a Devil Fruit ability but a Sword Technique similar to Kinemons Firefox Style. But let's see if Oda will specify it at any point. Unless he has in an SBS and I missed it.


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    King Ham Burger, King Tocos, Beer VI, Admiral Ryokugyuu not eating in three years. Clearly a cry for help, feed your mangaka shonen jump. It's the least you could do. What kind of sweat shop are they running over there? The pathos of Eiichiro Oda, starving artist.

    Not much else to say about this chapter that hasn't already been said. It's a decent enough set up for the Reverie, I found Sterry's interactions with Garp amusing, it had Morgans in it which is nice, with some cool scenery artwork. Promising developments ahead.

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    Loved the chapter.

    The title and first spread tie the WG more to American/McDonald's imperialism (since the Chinese hanzi for USA means ''beautiful country''.) The cameos were amazing (Kaiserstache and Skeletor interacting with Sengoku especially) and everyone was hilarious. Next we get more hints the Red Line is designed by the WG, until the big country representation. Russian beer and dolls, Lincoln-quoting King of Bollywood, USA (lol), a Queen of Morocco/al-Maghreb, and of course, a King Tacos based off Emiliano Zapata as much as Ham Burger is based off Lincoln. A beautiful world indeed.

    I bet we'll get a flashback to the first time Fishman Island was at Reverie. As I'm rereading I noticed an Absalom invisible cameo lmao. I'm eagerly awaiting when Vivi meets Shirahoshi, and puts Sterry's racist ass in his place (unless Sabo has done it first!) I wouldn't be surprised if the arc ends with both Vivi and Shirahoshi outcasts from the WG, unfortunately. It's gonna be very lit. Can't wait for next week with that closer.

    Quote Originally Posted by CongoJack View Post
    So, I know it's a children's manga and all, but 'King Tacos' is actually pretty racist.
    Speaking as a Mexican American living in China, pretty much the only place racist to Mexicans is the United States, and perhaps to a lesser extent, Cuba, Argentina, and Spain. King Tacos (wonder if Oda has been to Los Angeles' King Taco chain? Really good tacos!) quotes Zapata, one of the greatest Mexicans in history. So the portrayal is not bad at all IMO. A racist cartoon would not even know who Zapata is.

    Now, if an Anglo American cartoonist was doing this, I'd be a lot more skeptical. Due to the Mexican-American War, the origin of Mexican Americans comes as a conqered people, similar to Native Americans, Hawaiians and Alaskans, African Americans, Puerto Ricans, and Filipino Americans, among others. Nearly every other immigrant group eventually "whitened" (even Chinese Americans, whose immigration led to the 1870s-1880s Chinese Exclusion Acts amidst Trumpist furor in post-Civil War California, are now seen as a "model minority," a benignly racist trope echoing how Jews were seen a century ago) but Mexican Americans are stuck with Trump as our president due to mainstream American culture not acknokwledging the roots of this conquest. There is a phrase, "I didn't cross the border, the border crossed me," but we will continue to be racialized and demonized until another Chicanx movement gets our rightful place in the sun. As I get older, the Fishman Island arc really does get better and better on ever reread, especially now. Hope Shirahoshi can get her place in the sun too.

    Anyways, outside of the United States, people just look at Mexican culture and food, and love it. There's no history of conquest or oppression. I study international relations in Beijing and my Chinese colleagues think all Latin Americans speak English! Japan is not nearly as closed to the world as China, but you can just see how different things are by the price of tacos. Due to racism, tacos are extremely cheap in the United States. In Eurasia, tacos are very expensive because Mexican food is renowned as a rare and rich delicacy. So we should not be so ethnocentric as to analyze Oda from an Anglo American perspective, IMO.

    Also, as as someone with some Moroccan and Arab heritage, it was nice to see the shoutout of both Morrocco and Mexico alongside great powers like the USA and Russia. It was annoying for the scanlation to miss that Mororon is a clear reference to Morocco (known in Arabic as al-Maghreb; in English the Maghreb is North Africa except for Egypt and eastern Libya), but Oda knows what he's doing. Due to their European colonization, the Mexican and Moroccan representation showcases not only indigenous Mexican and Berber culture, but also Spanish and French influence. Oda's done a lot of homework, and I feel great about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theackwardstation View Post
    That's why people shouldn't mistake a tendency for a rule. Strong people in One Piece usually come from a strong environment, which means they'll probably have associated themselves with pirates or marines, but that's just the normal way. There's nothing preventing anyone from becoming a martial artist that is in a trial for strength without becoming a criminal or a cop. You don't even need to be a bounty hunter, but a guard from a country or a reclusive person in the woods... especially because talent is an important factor in this series. Some people are special.
    People didn't say it was impossible to happen AKA incoherent

    They said us suddenly discovering that actually there are those super duper warrior in the normal world wasn't in line with world Oda had made us seen up until now. The lack of strong third party was a pretty common thing(and why people kept hoping for a decent bounty hunter). So them discovering two secret gems seems convenient. Not strictly impossible but convenient.

    It's far from an asspull, a technical mistake that people throw around very lightly.
    I am interested in how you define the term.

    CP0 is not a secret organization. They are a public organization.
    Making it even more of asspull.



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    I don't count anyone out when it comes to appearances in the series unless that person's existence would raise questions about the balance of the world. Almost the entire series has been from the point of view of a guy who doesn't read the news or have a real understanding of the world, and even the stuff he knows isn't always available to us until it becomes relevant to the plot. The Reverie stuff now is pretty much the biggest instance of us following along with something Luffy may not end up knowing about.

    I also don't really see why CP-0 is an asspull considering that they serve the World Nobles, and we didn't deal with affairs of that caliber until Dressrosa.



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    Also, CP0 is really it's own agency outside of the regular CP1-9 umbrella.

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    A new Cp at out nowhere.



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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    A new Cp at out nowhere.
    And we got a potential new Warlord replacement thing coming. Is that also an asspull to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.C. Amigo View Post
    And we got a potential new Warlord replacement thing coming. Is that also an asspull to you?
    No it is not to me. Vegapunk has pretty much been popping tecnology all series and improving the marines constantly is 60% of what we know of him.



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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    No it is not to me. Vegapunk has pretty much been popping tecnology all series and improving the marines constantly is 60% of what we know of him.
    Sorry bud, don't know what to tell you then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by desa View Post
    People didn't say it was impossible to happen AKA incoherent

    They said us suddenly discovering that actually there are those super duper warrior in the normal world wasn't in line with world Oda had made us seen up until now. The lack of strong third party was a pretty common thing(and why people kept hoping for a decent bounty hunter). So them discovering two secret gems seems convenient. Not strictly impossible but convenient.
    Nilitch's post says "it doesn't make much sense" and that their "appearances are totally ass-pulled for now", so I understand that he was saying it IS incoherent. Even if he's not saying it's incoherent, I don't agree with the words he used and that's why my previous reply is perfectly fit.

    I am interested in how you define the term.
    Asspull is a concept a little broader than a Deus ex-machina, that's when you resolve an unsolvable problem by a force completely outside the narrative after the author puts himself in a corner. It's just something that you take out of your ass when you're in a pinch, because there's no way to resolve that problem with the possibilities given by the conditions that you had established in the story. Even if the author is not in a corner, something can be an asspull if there's no plausible explanation for the solution the author chose for the problem.

    That's hardly applicable to the new admirals' situation, especially because the situation itself is not built as a problem to be solved and definitely not in a closed context of available options. Actually, the need to fill the position of admirals is completely void of pre-established conditions, since the admirals come from the worldbuilding of the series, which is in constant expansion and we've seen only a fraction of what there is to see. The author is basically free to do whatever he wants here, because he didn't put himself in a corner.

    Making it even more of asspull.
    Why the CP0 being a public organization is even more of asspull?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    The people at the Colloseum weren't that strong though. It was supposed to be a New World tournament for one of the most powerful DFs. And not a single yonkou commander, except Burgess, were there. Hell, this is a major event, yonkous themselves should have come.
    Most Yonkou and their commanders already have DFs. Why would they have interest in the Mera Mera?

    Plus, the contest was held one day after the Mera Mera was announced as a prize. Only people that were in the island for whatever reason (like the Happo Navy, looking for the weapon factory) or close to it could've realistically participate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilitch View Post
    Also, yeh there are strong people outside of the Marines, but not as strong as admirals. Fujitora and Ryokugyu's appearances are totally ass-pulled for now. Later, Oda will invent a kind of retcon and create a flashback. But currently, it doesn't make much sense.
    The guy can literally throw meteorites on you... And there isn't supposed to be people that strong outside of the Marines, pirate system and the few powerful kingdoms in the new-world (the Minks, the giants, the samurais).
    Why are you assuming Fujitora had his DF before joining the Marines? Heck, couldn't Fujitora be a Samurai himself?

    Also, that bolded sentence is kinda stupid. Are we making up rules about where powerful people should belong?
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    An arc without Luffy, can't get any better than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gecko Moria View Post
    Loved the chapter.

    The title and first spread tie the WG more to American/McDonald's imperialism (since the Chinese hanzi for USA means ''beautiful country''.) The cameos were amazing (Kaiserstache and Skeletor interacting with Sengoku especially) and everyone was hilarious. Next we get more hints the Red Line is designed by the WG, until the big country representation. Russian beer and dolls, Lincoln-quoting King of Bollywood, USA (lol), a Queen of Morocco/al-Maghreb, and of course, a King Tacos based off Emiliano Zapata as much as Ham Burger is based off Lincoln. A beautiful world indeed.

    I bet we'll get a flashback to the first time Fishman Island was at Reverie. As I'm rereading I noticed an Absalom invisible cameo lmao. I'm eagerly awaiting when Vivi meets Shirahoshi, and puts Sterry's racist ass in his place (unless Sabo has done it first!) I wouldn't be surprised if the arc ends with both Vivi and Shirahoshi outcasts from the WG, unfortunately. It's gonna be very lit. Can't wait for next week with that closer.
    huh?
    Did you mean there's something in there or it just reminded you of something?

    The next part of your comment is wonderful and deserves to be responded to.
    Speaking as a Mexican American living in China, pretty much the only place racist to Mexicans is the United States, and perhaps to a lesser extent, Cuba, Argentina, and Spain. King Tacos (wonder if Oda has been to Los Angeles' King Taco chain? Really good tacos!) quotes Zapata, one of the greatest Mexicans in history. So the portrayal is not bad at all IMO. A racist cartoon would not even know who Zapata is.

    Now, if an Anglo American cartoonist was doing this, I'd be a lot more skeptical. Due to the Mexican-American War, the origin of Mexican Americans comes as a conqered people, similar to Native Americans, Hawaiians and Alaskans, African Americans, Puerto Ricans, and Filipino Americans, among others. Nearly every other immigrant group eventually "whitened" (even Chinese Americans, whose immigration led to the 1870s-1880s Chinese Exclusion Acts amidst Trumpist furor in post-Civil War California, are now seen as a "model minority," a benignly racist trope echoing how Jews were seen a century ago) but Mexican Americans are stuck with Trump as our president due to mainstream American culture not acknokwledging the roots of this conquest. There is a phrase, "I didn't cross the border, the border crossed me," but we will continue to be racialized and demonized until another Chicanx movement gets our rightful place in the sun. As I get older, the Fishman Island arc really does get better and better on ever reread, especially now. Hope Shirahoshi can get her place in the sun too.

    Anyways, outside of the United States, people just look at Mexican culture and food, and love it. There's no history of conquest or oppression. I study international relations in Beijing and my Chinese colleagues think all Latin Americans speak English! Japan is not nearly as closed to the world as China, but you can just see how different things are by the price of tacos. Due to racism, tacos are extremely cheap in the United States. In Eurasia, tacos are very expensive because Mexican food is renowned as a rare and rich delicacy. So we should not be so ethnocentric as to analyze Oda from an Anglo American perspective, IMO.

    Also, as as someone with some Moroccan and Arab heritage, it was nice to see the shoutout of both Morrocco and Mexico alongside great powers like the USA and Russia. It was annoying for the scanlation to miss that Mororon is a clear reference to Morocco (known in Arabic as al-Maghreb; in English the Maghreb is North Africa except for Egypt and eastern Libya), but Oda knows what he's doing. Due to their European colonization, the Mexican and Moroccan representation showcases not only indigenous Mexican and Berber culture, but also Spanish and French influence. Oda's done a lot of homework, and I feel great about it.


    The applause is for the entire block, not just the bold. The following is for the bolded part=
    Also Mororon's land, the Tajine Kingdom, is another food-related name as it's a Maghrebi dish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katzztar View Post
    huh?
    Did you mean there's something in there or it just reminded you of something?
    In the panel with the camera flashes, the flash in the middle doesn't have a cameraman behind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RomanceDawn View Post
    You watch your mouth pal, Long John is a nice guy and just as good lookin' as anyone around here.
    so you basically just say that the people here also looked as shit as him ? lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blissed View Post
    In the panel with the camera flashes, the flash in the middle doesn't have a cameraman behind it.
    Hidden:


    o.O whoah I'd say you got a keen eye, I missed that, but Oda really had that very, very obvious. How did I miss that? I guess I was more focused on Attachan (sp?) being there and miss the flash next to him.

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    Alphamale gone? Well good riddance to bad rubbish I always say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blissed View Post
    In the panel with the camera flashes, the flash in the middle doesn't have a cameraman behind it.
    Awesome!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sads View Post
    I still say Fugitora doesn't use a Devil Fruit ability but a Sword Technique similar to Kinemons Firefox Style. But let's see if Oda will specify it at any point. Unless he has in an SBS and I missed it.
    He uses sword techniques to pull meteors from space and make navy ships levitate?

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