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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdom View Post
    I believe she wants the poneglyphs print back
    She should be unaware that the Straw Hats took the rubbings. I was thinking she's talking about Zeus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coookie View Post
    She should be unaware that the Straw Hats took the rubbings. I was thinking she's talking about Zeus.
    Yeah, Definitely about Zeus. Why should she want the rubbings back ... she can just destroy them along with the SH's.

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    I think maybe the Rocks refer to the strongest pirates?

    The crew that lost their leader sounds like Whitebeards

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    Good to great chapter with load of characters and info. But boy, ending each chapter with a cliff hanger (and filling it with information) that is not going to be resolved for months/ years sure feels like a cheap trick. I do understand it once, not every single time.

    Also, CP0 doesn't make sense. Aren't they supposed to be (were presented as) a formidable force? Lucci was stomped (in what probably is still the best fight ever in OP) by Luffy 500 chapter ago, pre time skip, pre everything. What's the point is bringing CP9 back with a new name?

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    I get the sinking feeling that, about 5 years in, Oda realized he couldn't make all famous pirates from now on having been a part of of the same Gol D. Roger pirate crew. That's when he realized that he had to expand the backstory to the crew before Roger and possibly even further, although up until this point Roger's works and his death were the clearcut start to the whole age of pirates thing. Mind you, that shift in scope would have taken place before there even was any mentioning of the concept of the four emperors or the world balance, concepts which by themselves point to a sudden larger scope in his writing.

    Around that time he came up with the 800 years hidden century shenanigans, making sure he went back far enough in time to not back himself in a corner again - by giving him an ample time frame to fill if he so needed at any later point. Now he makes use of this time frame by filling it with what my guess would be is another legendary pirate crew that was the real deal before Roger - yet a crew that was not mentioned, even as legend or tale or anything, during the past 15 years of One Piece. I'm betting on the lack of mentioning being totally disproportionate to the great deeds they, and especially their captain, have achieved in their time.

    My money also goes to this new, unknown captain being the one that inspired Roger to go adventuring and live the free life - because you know he did. Just as you very well know he is going to be a 'D.'.

    I'm just not sure if I like this development, it asks a lot of my suspension of disbelief that no one the Strawhats met during their journey, as well as Robin, the history buff or Shanks or Rayleigh would have said anything about two of the Emperors working together 40 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kouch_lee View Post
    The Rocks? Who lost their captain? That threw me off balance.

    Someone on the spoiler thread mentioned that it could've been a name instead, like "Roux". Could it be one of those really-hard-to-translate-until-we-get-more-context situations?
    doubt it since rock/lock and roux ,at least with the french pronunciation , are nothing alike phonetically

    Quote Originally Posted by ArseneWenger View Post
    None of Big Mom's backstory implies that she would ever agree to be part of any crew where she isn't the boss.
    And surprised that Shanks himself made the decision to go see the Gorosei.

    Supposed Plot Hole: In ch 800, Akainu implied that the Gorosei were the puppets of Tenryubito. In this chapter, it is being said that Gorosei are the leaders of tenryubito.
    no,in this chapter it's said that they are the leader of the world

    basically, the tenryuubito has not "real" power....they don't directly decide anything but they have the power to do and ask for anything they want...

    take it as a mom and her spoiler child...she is the one in command, she tooks all the decisions not her 5 years old brat....but if the kid wanna go to the park, they are gonna go there, because she clearly can't say them "no"

    Quote Originally Posted by jajejijoju View Post
    Are the "rocks" the pirate crew Linlin and Kaidou once a part of?
    nah, in linlin's flashback is stated clear that she directly funded the big mom pirates with streusend

    the rocks were probably the dominant force before garp took down their captain, then came the era of roger, shiki and whitebeard, with garp fighting toe to toe with an ascending roger...after the king fell, big mom gathered powr and somewhere between then and now kaidou also slowly got to his seat as a yonkou while gettinf defeated, imprisoned and tortured multiple times in the process.

    i suppose the debt kaidou has to linlin is that he was saved one of those times by her.
    Quote Originally Posted by DynamiteShikoku View Post
    Suddenly got this revelation : what if the 'rocks' will be featured in a new movie?

    Oda did the same thing with shiki, he incorporate the char in the manga then use him as a char in the movie.

    We already got so much in our plate to be deal with (kaidou, wano, RA, ryokugyu, etc) so introducing an ancient pirate crew to wreck things up might not be feasible. So Oda might introduce the crew in the manga just be used later in the movie.

    I hope I'm wrong though cause i would love to see this crew in the manga.
    while it's possible, oda already teased a lot of time ago that " a past legend would make his move", and he was talking about the manga, not about a movie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ukimix View Post
    Also BM wants to be listen talking to Kaido... hmmmm
    two possible explanation..maybe 3

    -they know the main part of the foprces are guarding the reverie right now
    - they know the marines wont intervene to protect a non WG island
    - they really don't care that much about the marines,much like shanks back in the day told that if they wanted to stop him, they just had to try
    Quote Originally Posted by FelRes View Post
    CP0 isn't secret, but it does feel like something Oda made up because he wanted to keep Cipher Pol relevant somehow. I don't see where it even fits in the greater plot.



    It's not hard, the Elder Stars are the top of the Celestial Dragon food chain. Course, they probably get pushed around by the rest of the Celestial Dragons too. I wanna see what the Viz version says though, should help clear up any ambiguity.
    cp0 is there probably because the tenryuubito needed some kinf of physical force that was 24h at their disposal and wasn't just stupid fodder guards...the marines usually do their job, they are not always serving them

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    Wait, I'm confused..What is Hina talking about?
    "Even though they lost their captain, their power is still growing"
    Kaidou and Big Mom's captain? Roger?

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    I want to buy this arc.

    In volume format.

    Right NOW !


    Awesome.

    I wonder why Shanks is so respected by everyone. He seems to have a lot of interest in keeping world Balanced.

    Sengoku respects him, 5 Elders respect him, Whitebeard respected him, Mihawk respects Shanks..


    Shanks should get a box from Oda "Most Respected Pirate in the World"

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    Theres a real high chance that Shanks may have been a CD

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    I suppose it's already been speculated but could the rock pirate captain have been that joyboy fellow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kdom View Post
    I believe she wants the poneglyphs print back


    Also I think that was the last cover story cover. Isn't it ?
    I think she might be talking about Brook himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuburbanErrorist View Post
    Theres a real high chance that Shanks may have been a CD
    Nah. His hometown is some sort of West Blue village or town that specializes in making sake.

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    Leaked footage of the Rocks.
    Spoiler:

    Hidden:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coookie View Post
    She should be unaware that the Straw Hats took the rubbings. I was thinking she's talking about Zeus.
    Brulee knew. She knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    I suppose it's already been speculated but could the rock pirate captain have been that joyboy fellow?
    Joyboy would have to be practically immortal to be written about on a Poneglyph and also alive to challenge Garp. It's not impossible, but it's not likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    You gotta appreciate how lackadaisical both Kaido and BM are about the prospect of death. It's like yeah yeah whatever mhmm you'll kill me yeah that's great how about next thursday
    They know what Oda knows. Nobody ever dies so it's whatever :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfwood View Post
    I suppose it's already been speculated but could the rock pirate captain have been that joyboy fellow?
    But wasn't Joyboy from the Void Century? He left his "apology" written on a poneglyph.

    Man, this is giving me a headache. . .

    . . .but it's also super exciting.

    I don't think it makes much sense to talk about a possible past captain to both Big Mom and Kaidou after they've become such big deals over the past decades. "Even though they lost their captain, they're not any weaker!". Like, if that was a recent occurence, I'd say, "Ok". But it happened 40 years ago apparently, and they've become captains themselves, and established as 2 of the 4 emperors of the pirate world.

    That's like saying "Even though Shanks and Blackbeard lost their captain (Roger), they're not any weaker!". It'd be kinda weird, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kishido View Post
    But I LOLed at the warlords being able to take on 2 Yonkous + crew... Seriously?
    It was Warlords+Admirals against 2 Youkous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maju View Post
    two possible explanation..maybe 3

    -they know the main part of the foprces are guarding the reverie right now
    - they know the marines wont intervene to protect a non WG island
    - they really don't care that much about the marines,much like shanks back in the day told that if they wanted to stop him, they just had to try
    Yeap, they may think Marine won't (be able to) intervene, but why to let them know about their conversation? Because the soldier shows surprised they could decrypt it. As it was said above, maybe BM has a big ego and she wants the world to know she will be the one defeating Luffy, the 'fifth' yonkou who took a ride into her territory.

    Anyway Sakasuki and Garp think the same way about Kaido and BM: "Let them do". It's the best they can do for now.
    Last edited by Ukimix; June 8th, 2018 at 02:41 AM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CongoJack View Post
    I get the sinking feeling that, about 5 years in, Oda realized he couldn't make all famous pirates from now on having been a part of of the same Gol D. Roger pirate crew. That's when he realized that he had to expand the backstory to the crew before Roger and possibly even further, although up until this point Roger's works and his death were the clearcut start to the whole age of pirates thing. Mind you, that shift in scope would have taken place before there even was any mentioning of the concept of the four emperors or the world balance, concepts which by themselves point to a sudden larger scope in his writing.

    Around that time he came up with the 800 years hidden century shenanigans, making sure he went back far enough in time to not back himself in a corner again - by giving him an ample time frame to fill if he so needed at any later point. Now he makes use of this time frame by filling it with what my guess would be is another legendary pirate crew that was the real deal before Roger - yet a crew that was not mentioned, even as legend or tale or anything, during the past 15 years of One Piece. I'm betting on the lack of mentioning being totally disproportionate to the great deeds they, and especially their captain, have achieved in their time.

    My money also goes to this new, unknown captain being the one that inspired Roger to go adventuring and live the free life - because you know he did. Just as you very well know he is going to be a 'D.'.

    I'm just not sure if I like this development, it asks a lot of my suspension of disbelief that no one the Strawhats met during their journey, as well as Robin, the history buff or Shanks or Rayleigh would have said anything about two of the Emperors working together 40 years ago.
    They're irrelevant currently. The current age is shaped by Roger, and Whitebeard to a lesser extent. Most legends they hear are going to center in those guys.

    Even Garp was surprised Hina knew about it. It's a thing from his time.
    Last edited by King Cannon; June 8th, 2018 at 02:39 AM.

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    Okay, so we've known for a while that Big Mom was a big name in piracy before Roger, so it's not totally out of the blue, but I'm not sure how I feel about Rocks only now becoming a thing. Seems a bit late in the game to be getting another mysterious group/force/individual of historical note, at least without a bit more lore tying to tie them into what we already have. The vagueness of it all - just when we're starting to get concrete details abot so many other things - is infuriating!

    But that's easy to forgive in favour of every other goddamn thing in the chapter. Holy shit! If the design of the Empty Throne actually is the foreshadowing it seems to be, this is huge​.

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