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    Quote Originally Posted by NamiRobinFrankyAce View Post
    I love Soccer and One Piece. And i want to say that a One Piece Break and a Soccer Club Break on the same week should be illegal.
    Completely agree with you. International week is always a dread. No one is really interested in that other than the World Cup.

    I've always hope Kanjuro is the spy cause he seemed soooo shitty and useless. But like what funebre said, it would be cool if he was actually a master painter but he has been acting shit all this while.

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    So you tell me this was a hint that Kanjuro was working for the dragon, kaidou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuburbanErrorist View Post
    Oden's dream was to open up the borders, what if one of his own hated this idea and ended up liking the way of thinking of Orochi and Kaido?
    I just can't see it. It would be boring.

    They followed him since their younger days, they loved him, they believed in him, so they would trust him with his decision, they also would have told him how they feel about the idea.
    The only reason I see for one of them to betray Oden is, if they felt betrayed by him when he left them. In that time they could have been corrupted by Orochi.

    I can see Denjiro as the traitor unless he is Kyoshiro then it makes no sense. We haven't seen him anywhere during the events of the takeover.

    "There will be an answer, let it be."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhenja View Post
    I just can't see it. It would be boring.

    They followed him since their younger days, they loved him, they believed in him, so they would trust him with his decision, they also would have told him how they feel about the idea.
    The only reason I see for one of them to betray Oden is, if they felt betrayed by him when he left them. In that time they could have been corrupted by Orochi.

    I can see Denjiro as the traitor unless he is Kyoshiro then it makes no sense. We haven't seen him anywhere during the events of the takeover.
    That's not so simple. A lot of Oden's ideas were outrageous to his retainers, like becoming a pirate. It's totally possible that one or two of them started to become unconfortable with his most revolutionary projects. Let's not forget that we see them talking about their love for Oden, but we have not witnessed the flashback yet. And there's a famous guy named Judas that betrayed Jesus.

    https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/820/6
    https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/820/7
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    - Orochi had communications shut down/blocked across Wano
    - Caribou appears having escaped the attack on the Prison and stolen it's Boss Snail
    - The alliance regroups and turns that boss snail into their own private network
    - The alliance decides to raid the capital first while communications are still down and they can't immediately inform everyone at Onigashima.
    - Kyoshiro and some men are able to be distracting enough to us that we don't notice some alliance characters missing
    - The capital is seized and Kyoshiro informs the alliance of their informant.
    - Cut to Kanjuro flying above the clouds somewhere in silence, then landing on Onigashima. Bonus if Kiku is also with him, captured by him, following him, or swap it with Kiku being followed or having captured Kanjuro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theackwardstation View Post
    That's not so simple. A lot of Oden's ideas were outrageous to his retainers, like becoming a pirate. It's totally possible that one or two of them started to become unconfortable with his most revolutionary projects. Let's not forget that we see them talking about their love for Oden, but we have not witnessed the flashback yet. And there's a famous guy named Judas that betrayed Jesus.

    https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/820/6
    https://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/820/7
    Just by reading that, it's sort of obvious that it's Kanjuro.

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    Well Kanjuro did incidentally cover Kin'emon's eyes when Bariete fell down on them

    Someone didn't want Kin'emon to reunite with Inu and Neko apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuburbanErrorist View Post
    Just by reading that, it's sort of obvious that it's Kanjuro.
    Indeed.

    Technically he was talking about the feelings of the scabbards in general, but it's a conscious choice by Oda to put those words in Kanjuro's mouth.

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    There is no way Kanjuro is the traitor. Why would he allow himself be thrown 20 years into the future only to betray his liege Lord. This story can't work that way. The 9 scabbards are gated to avenge the death of Oden and if there was a traitor, lady O-Toki might have seen it and not given the prophecy.

    From all indications Shinobu is the traitor. Firstly, she is not a scabbard but has had all the first hand information they have. Secondly, she was once a member of the Oniwabanshu who are nothing more than spies and she was led by Fukurokuju. Thirdly, she was quick to attack Law's crew as traitors so to deflect attention from herself. She is the only character, outside of Kitetsu and Otama, that isn't a scabbard or a part of the invited invaders. She is wholly, in her own distinct subset. Given all this, I know it is easy to label her the traitor but all other theories make no sense.

    There is a sense that we are being overloaded with too much suspense with too many things happening everywhere. What happened to Sabo; what happened to Vivi; what happened to the crew all so suddenly; where is Denjiro and who is he; who is the witching hour boy; who got Law out of jail; where is Nekomamushi and who is coming with him; what happened to the fishmen crew and the German 66; who will arrive to help the Strawhats take down a 9 billion berry alliance?

    On another note, looking back now, Yasuie death was the most needless in a manga that is notorious for keeping characters alive. Even if in the end, there was a coda in the cards that he added that fooled the scabbards for whatever reasons and fooled Orochi as well. I think Oda should have written it differently. There is no justifying his death.

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    On Yasuie, I feel there is something he added to that card that might have been acted upon or figured out at the last moment. It is my feeling that the scabbards have not figured it out yet and so are at a loss. That would make Yasuie's sacrifice more meaningful. There is also the possibility that Denjiro, being Kyoshiro, has arrived and acted to save the alliance from Orochi's plans. That would be a befitting entrance for the last scabbard to show up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoch View Post
    There is no way Kanjuro is the traitor. Why would he allow himself be thrown 20 years into the future only to betray his liege Lord. This story can't work that way. The 9 scabbards are gated to avenge the death of Oden and if there was a traitor, lady O-Toki might have seen it and not given the prophecy.
    Well Toki´s claim might not include one of the Scabbards, Momo or the mysterious Kyoshiro could fill up to be the ninth shadow once one of them gets revealed as a traitor.


    From all indications Shinobu is the traitor. Firstly, she is not a scabbard but has had all the first hand information they have. Secondly, she was once a member of the Oniwabanshu who are nothing more than spies and she was led by Fukurokuju. Thirdly, she was quick to attack Law's crew as traitors so to deflect attention from herself. She is the only character, outside of Kitetsu and Otama, that isn't a scabbard or a part of the invited invaders. She is wholly, in her own distinct subset. Given all this, I know it is easy to label her the traitor but all other theories make no sense.

    Shinobu is an obvious red herring, and for dramatic purposes it has to be one of the Scabbards, anyone else would be a giant meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoch View Post
    There is no way Kanjuro is the traitor. Why would he allow himself be thrown 20 years into the future only to betray his liege Lord. This story can't work that way. The 9 scabbards are gated to avenge the death of Oden and if there was a traitor, lady O-Toki might have seen it and not given the prophecy.
    The trip to the future happened suddenly, it was improvised. The scabbards were heading to the castle only to save Toki and the kids (and they were betrayed once again, because the castle was already on fire before they got there), so it's possible that the traitor, Kanjuro, was only playing his role to stick together with the scabbards and to sabotage their plans. Things got out of control for Kanjuro when Toki revealed that she trully had the power to travel through time and then he was sent 20 years into the future.

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    Thomas doubted Jesus until he saw miracles. There's no motivation for any of the scabbards, after being thrown into the future, to doubt the potency of the prophecy. Kanjuro being the traitor is just dumb cherry picking. Any one of the scabbards can be the traitor based on the analogies and inferences that is being cooked up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoch View Post
    Thomas doubted Jesus until he saw miracles. There's no motivation for any of the scabbards, after being thrown into the future, to doubt the potency of the prophecy. Kanjuro being the traitor is just dumb cherry picking. Any one of the scabbards can be the traitor based on the analogies and inferences that is being cooked up.
    What does the prophecy have anything to do with the beliefs of the traitor? The traitor became a traitor much before the existence of the prophecy, Oden died before the existence of the prophecy, and the reasoning was obviously not related to doubting the potency of a prophecy that didn't exist. In fact, the prophecy is just about the rebirth of the Kouzuki clan to achieve their dreams.

    The traitor would be a traitor because he dislikes Oden's projects. Why? Oden was a "wild card", a "maverick", to use the words that the scabbards themselves used to describe him (chap. 820 and 920 respectivelly). He left Wano for years, he became a pirate, he wanted to open the borders of the country to the world, and who knows what else more. The scabbards themselves tried to stop him in some of these matters (chap. 820). Oden's mentality was too progressive compared to the conservativism that prevailed in Wano, and it's not a stretch to think that maybe one of the scabbards grew tired of Oden's ideas to change the country.

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    The prophecy says the 9 scabbards will prevail and avenge the death of their Lord. It is destined to happen. Nothing the traitor will do can stop it. Any rational human being will know it is foolish to try and stop the inevitable. So, why is there still a traitor? What will any scabbard achieve by being one? Absolutely nothing! The die is, already, cast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoch View Post
    The prophecy says the 9 scabbards will prevail and avenge the death of their Lord. It is destined to happen. Nothing the traitor will do can stop it. Any rational human being will know it is foolish to try and stop the inevitable. So, why is there still a traitor? What will any scabbard achieve by being one? Absolutely nothing! The die is, already, cast.
    Eheem.. Toki´s statement never once mentioned the word 'scabbard'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoch View Post
    The prophecy says the 9 scabbards will prevail and avenge the death of their Lord. It is destined to happen. Nothing the traitor will do can stop it. Any rational human being will know it is foolish to try and stop the inevitable. So, why is there still a traitor? What will any scabbard achieve by being one? Absolutely nothing! The die is, already, cast.
    https://mangalife.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-919-page-8.html

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    ine shadows. Dawn. Hmm... no idea who could be meant.

    "There will be an answer, let it be."

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoch View Post
    The prophecy says the 9 scabbards will prevail and avenge the death of their Lord. It is destined to happen. Nothing the traitor will do can stop it. Any rational human being will know it is foolish to try and stop the inevitable. So, why is there still a traitor? What will any scabbard achieve by being one? Absolutely nothing! The die is, already, cast.
    1) Then it's better for Kaidou and Orochi to resign now and go on a permanent vacation since the prophecy WILL happen and they don't stand a chance. They know what she said.

    2) The answer is that nobody takes a prophecy as infallible, because they shouldn't, and nobody should stop fighting for their interests because of one. The traitor is a traitor since before the prophecy. He's already too involved.

    3) Why do we know that it is a prophecy? Orochi sees it as a prophecy, but it's not necessarily that. Is she like Madame Shirley? For all we know, Lady Toki made a simple statement as she had just sent people to the future to do the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epoch View Post
    The prophecy says the 9 scabbards will prevail and avenge the death of their Lord. It is destined to happen. Nothing the traitor will do can stop it. Any rational human being will know it is foolish to try and stop the inevitable. So, why is there still a traitor? What will any scabbard achieve by being one? Absolutely nothing! The die is, already, cast.
    The bible also has prophecies, why do people ignore them? It's the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuburbanErrorist View Post
    The bible also has prophecies, why do people ignore them? It's the same thing.
    some people ignore it but some do believe. its the same as Wano people.. how many people do they have there? only 4000 still believe in Lord Oden.

    **Btw, i still believe Shinobu is the one who betray them

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