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  • Imu

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Thread: Who is the final villain 3.0

  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDL View Post
    If we're going by definition of "final" villain, then the last stop is the entity at the top of the corrupt world government.
    This whole thing is gonna boil down to a war for global freedom.

    Blackbeard's gonna be the last pirate obstacle, but he's not the end game.
    That's like exactly the reason the WG has to go down before Teach.

    Luffy wouldn't set the world into a conflict that would mean thousand dying all over the place.
    Teach in the other hand would do it without second thoughts 100%

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    World Government/World Nobles/Im feels more like a final confrontation for revolutionaries and "good" marines and regular royalty and citizens and such. I'm surprised people are getting that as Luffy's obstacle. It's not really his primary end goal, but it'll be part of the process. And I can see Blackbeard escalating his own position during that time, taking advantage of the whole scenario and becoming a major focused threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monquito View Post
    Luffy wouldn't set the world into a conflict that would mean thousand dying all over the place.
    Teach in the other hand would do it without second thoughts 100%
    It's less about setting a conflict off by himself, and more like being embroiled in something bigger than himself whether he wants to be there or not.
    Something there's no getting out of if he ever wants his ultimate freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Krupp View Post

    This is an awesome post! I used to hate Blackbeard and abjectly refused to believe he was the main villain. While I now like Blackbeard much more than I did before Im glad there are people who think the final villain is someone else!
    Hey thanks! Glad to hear it!
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    Blackbeard not being the final villain is basically Carrot-is-a-SH-material-and-here-is-the-imagery-proof level of shitty theory at this point.

    Almost feel sorry for the lads that are hoping to see someone random dude for the final villain rather than the literal dark version of the main protag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luca View Post

    also see no chance of shanks dying to Blackbeard, so cliche, rather him getting attacked by the marines and killed by akainu
    One Piece is an adventure story.

    Mentor figure usually get killed in adventure stories.

    Shanks and Blackbeard already have a history together with BB being responsible for giving Shanks his trademark scars.

    BB already basically spelled out that he was coming after Shanks once he is stronger.

    both Marines and BB need to elevate themselves somehow, by defeating someone strong, so maybe akainu kills shanks
    ..........So the idea above that has already been established is cliche while Shanks being used as a stepping stone for Akainu is not?

    ...............Wut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDL View Post
    It's less about setting a conflict off by himself, and more like being embroiled in something bigger than himself whether he wants to be there or not.
    Something there's no getting out of if he ever wants his ultimate freedom.
    We had more or less a similar scenario at Impel Down.
    While Luffy went for Ace and destroyed whatever it got on his way.
    Teach went for the lols, and to set some slaughtering at level 6.

    Is the same idea, as a D, Teach is part of that big stuff as well, there's gon be a WWI if One Piece gets found, the WG dont seem to want any of that. Then again, Teach kind of does.

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    What exactly does Akainu or IM represent as a final villain? Black Beard is the antithesis of Luffy, the evil opposite, his dark counterpart, with his own crew of Anti-Strawhat's

    Im literally just appeared in the story a year ago and we know nothing about him, it would be a total failure on Oda's part if he was the final villain, basically Kyuga from Naruto

    and Akainu is clearly the bad guy of the good marines vs absolute Justice Marines, He represents absolute justice, that's no where near as compelling a final villain as the littearl evil version of the main character who's beliefs are the complete oppisite

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartOfDarkness View Post
    Blackbeard not being the final villain is basically Carrot-is-a-SH-material-and-here-is-the-imagery-proof level of shitty theory at this point.
    Quote Originally Posted by HeartOfDarkness View Post

    Almost feel sorry for the lads that are hoping to see someone random dude for the final villain rather than the literal dark version of the main protag.
    Imu isn't a random dude. The world government has been here from day one while Blackbeard appeared over 200 chapters into the story.

    The entire plot of One Piece has been building up to this. Joy boy, the poneglyphs, the ancient weapons, the will of D, the void century, the revolutionaries, Roger's story etc it's all bigger than Blackbeard and it's all connected to the WG. There's an entire prophecy that is centered around this.

    The One Piece itself is connected to what Joy Boy wanted to accomplish and it has something to do with the demise of his greatest enemy, which is Imu & the WG.


    Blackbeard has nothing on Imu at this point. Him being the "dark Luffy" is largely overblown.

    This page alone should tell you that the WG/Imu is the big enemy and not BB



    Whitebeard knows everything because Roger told him.

    The great war will happen AFTER the One Piece is found. Blackbeard's only competition with Luffy is who will find One Piece first. What purpose would BB serve as an enemy after it is found? WB straight up said that BB was not the one Roger was waiting for and alluded to the WG being the reason for the war.
    Last edited by YoungWhite; January 29th, 2020 at 12:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungWhite View Post
    Imu isn't a random dude. The world government has been here from day one while Blackbeard appeared over 200 chapters into the story.[/FONT][/COLOR]
    First of all, 200 chapters is just 4 years into the series that is going to end up being 30 years long give or take.

    Second, Ace first mentioned him 50 chapters before that.

    Blackbeard, the guy named after one of the most famous pirates in history, started playing a role in the series in year 3. Then we meet him and he's Luffy's polar opposite. And he's been gathering a crew of obvious mirror strawhats for ages.

    Who is everyone going to fight in the World Government? The three admirals? And then the rest of the strawhats get what... Django and Coby?

    Imu, for whatever his actual role of authority is, IS a random guy, with no face, that we just met last year that hasn't done anything yet.

    This is a shonen series first and foremost. Big one one one fights are the driving force of the narrative at the end of the day. However big and epic in scope the overall final war is, its still going to come down to everyone getting one on one battles.

    And while you could certainly name ten different marines none of them outside of Aikanu have been positioned as anything the Strawhats need to take out, and they're just a function of the WG anyway. Aikanu is an attack dog, Imu is an enigma... and Blackbeard is the guy shaking the world with two of the strongest powers at his personal disposal, an exact crew to counter the strawhats who have been growing in power alongsie the SH's,, who captured Ace and led to his death, declared that it is his era.
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  10. #30

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    Watch Blackbeard Ganondorf that silly prophecy.

    Him sneaking into power that WB called him unworthy of feels like a given.

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    That is exactly what I don't about how people read that particular scene. Like you have to absolutely try hard to ignore how Whitebeard quite literally placed "SPECIAL" signs all over Blackbeard's character by mentioning him, not any other character from D clan, in that speech.

    We already *know* Blackbeard doesn't play fairly and can easily take the more cunning way outta that prophecy. Like how he waited for Whitebeard to be weaken in the war before showing up and taking him down.

    Blackbeard is not Luffy. That is entirely the point of his character; he wins by cheating and will most likely become the pirate king by doing the same thing before being taken down by Luffy.

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    Well, declaring that this is your era doesn’t make it yours tbh
    Obviously, Teach is currently the weakest yonkou.

  13. #33

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    He went from being unknown small pirate to being a Yonkou in the span of just 2 years lol.

    Teach isn't going to become stronger in legit ways like Luffy; he will cheat his way to the top. We also know that he will eventually come for Shanks in the future so there is that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    Imu, for whatever his actual role of authority is, IS a random guy, with no face, that we just met last year that hasn't done anything yet.
    Dude is the WG’s leader. There is no «*whatever his actual role of authority is*» thing
    And he has pretty much been pulling the strings behind every WG moves. He is far from having achieved nothing

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    He hasn't, to the reader's knowledge, achieved anything yet.

    Him being a string-puller is exactly why he is unlikely to be Luffy's final opponent lol.

    And yes, there is a big difference between ordering someone to do your bids and actually getting your own hands dirty. Imu could very well be the type that doesn't get his hands dirty kinda like Spandam.

    His role in the WG is rather irrelevant to Luffy himself.

    And I think you guys need to understand the difference between a character that could potentially be important and a character that is going to be the final villain for the main protag; the final obstacle before the main character achieves his goal; one of the most climactic or THE most climactic battle in the series. That sure as hell doesn't sound like Imu to me.

    Also there is already a group in the series that is actively going against the world-government led by main protag's father AND also has his older brother in it. Again, pretty obvious setup.

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    Y
    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    First of all, 200 chapters is just 4 years into the series that is going to end up being 30 years long give or take.
    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post

    Second, Ace first mentioned him 50 chapters before that.
    That's completely irrelevant to the overall point.
    Blackbeard, the guy named after one of the most famous pirates in history, started playing a role in the series in year 3. Then we meet him and he's Luffy's polar opposite. And he's been gathering a crew of obvious mirror strawhats for ages.

    None of this changes the fact that the story at large is about Joy boy & the WG. Him being Luffy's polar opposite isn't true since they share some off the same beliefs. How is his crew an obvious mirror of the SH's and why would that make them the final villans?
    Who is everyone going to fight in the World Government? The three admirals? And then the rest of the strawhats get what... Django and Coby?

    Why does this boil down to SH match ups? This is far bigger than that. The WG consists of many powerful individuals so idk why Jango & Koby were the first to pop up in your mind.
    Imu, for whatever his actual role of authority is, IS a random guy, with no face, that we just met last year that hasn't done anything yet.

    You can't really call him random when he was being built up for ages. To say hasn't done anything yet isn't completely true. If he truly was the enemy of the ancient kingdom and the one who established the WG he's done more than enough already. There's also the "great cleansing" and the fact that he set his sights on Vivi (might haved acted on this already), Luffy, Shirahoshi & Blackbeard.
    This is a shonen series first and foremost. Big one one one fights are the driving force of the narrative at the end of the day. However big and epic in scope the overall final war is, its still going to come down to everyone getting one on one battles.

    Again, this is bigger than match ups. Since there will be a war, everyone will get a fight one way or another. Why does it have to end with BB's crew?

    You bring up this being a shonen series at a point in your favor as the reason why BB is the final villan, but a lot off times in Shonen, the Final villan isn't someone who's been around the longest. Dragon ball, Naruto, Bleach, Hunter x Hunter, Black clover, Fairy Tail etc..
    And while you could certainly name ten different marines none of them outside of Aikanu have been positioned as anything the Strawhats need to take out, and they're just a function of the WG anyway. Aikanu is an attack dog, Imu is an enigma... and Blackbeard is the guy shaking the world with two of the strongest powers at his personal disposal, an exact crew to counter the strawhats who have been growing in power alongsie the SH's,, who captured Ace and led to his death, declared that it is his era.

    BB is considered the least threatening of the Yonko since his bounty is far lower than theirs. No one thinks that this Blackbeard's era besides him. Being the reason Ace was captured is not enough to build tension for the FV. He and Luffy have no dark history outside of that.
    Why do you make it seem like the argument here is that the SH's won't face the BB pirates? They will, but they don't have to be the final villans for them to do that. As of right now, BB has no purpose to the greater story of One Piece.

    Whitebeard basically straight up said that the WG will be the enemies in the final war. Why ignore that?
    Last edited by YoungWhite; January 29th, 2020 at 03:19 AM.

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    Daily reminder that One Piece has only one-plot and WG, void-century, Will of D etc... tie into it.

    To even suggest that Blackbeard isn't relevant or has no purpose to the actual story of One Piece is basically laughable.

    BB is considered the least threatening of the Yonko since his bounty is far lower than theirs
    Hmmmmmm


    Whitebeard basically straight up said that the WG will be the enemies in the final war
    Yep, the WG is going to be *one* of the enemy groups. The other being Blackbeard.

    You people are the *only* ones who seem to think that the Blackbeard theory relies on Blackbeard being the only enemy in the final war or that WG wouldn't play a part. They will and they will be defeated and then the fight will be between Luffy and Blackbeard.

    You guys ought to go back and read the previous discussions. These points have been already rendered useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartOfDarkness View Post
    His role in the WG is rather irrelevant to Luffy himself.

    No it isn't. As Whitebeard, Roger, and the Fishman said, there will be someone (Luffy) who will inhert Joy boy's will and will challenge the world.
    And I think you guys need to understand the difference between a character that could potentially be important and a character that is going to be the final villain for the main protag; the final obstacle before the main character achieves his goal; one of the most climactic or THE most climactic battle in the series. That sure as hell doesn't sound like Imu to me.

    Blackbeard's goal is the one piece. It's been pointed out that the series will continue after it's found. Luffy cares about freedom before all. Blackbeard isn't threatening Luffy's freedom, but Imu/the WG are.
    Quote Originally Posted by HeartOfDarkness View Post
    Yep, the WG is going to be *one* of the enemy groups. The other being Blackbeard.

    What do you mean? The WG itself will be the cause of the war. Have you not been keeping up with the latest chapters?
    They will and they will be defeated and then the fight will be between Luffy and Blackbeard.

    Over what exactly? And if Luffy can defeat the WG at that point then what threat is blackbeard?


    Last edited by YoungWhite; January 29th, 2020 at 01:33 AM.

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    Imu
    •Is a slacker
    •Takes naps
    •Plays with butterflies

    Teach
    •Works hard
    •Never sleeps
    •Doesn't like butterflies at all

    Yup, its Teach.

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    As Whitebeard, Roger, and the Fishman said, there will be someone (Luffy) who will inhert Joy boy's will and will challenge the world.
    Yes.

    People hope that the right person (someone representing the good side of D clan aka Luffy) will inherit the Will. So what happens when Blackbeard, representing the evil side of D, decides to be the one who carries on the will in a different method. Like taking down the current order with chaos-based order.

    Like say, Luffy representing freedom and Blackbeard representing chaos.

    Blackbeard's goal is the one piece.
    Will of D says hi.

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