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    Wether people like it or not, social media and internet in general will eventually face federal intervention, maybe not under Trump but in due time.
    From people who effectively have jobs dictated by algorithms that can change at a moment notice, and terms of service that have to be swallowed with no scrutiny or rebuttal, plus a clear bias certain people (ie rich) get over others on a plethora of situations.

    Goodwill for anonimity has been mostly stable for the first decade of the 2000s but as more people began flooding it from the 2010s, we're now reaching levels of containment for a variety of practices that cant continue as they are: from spreading fake news that only at certain times gets corrected and even less so recognized for it afterwards, to the absolute lack of any equality whatsoever where people can form kangaroo courts and witch trials decided by numbers and influence instead of justice.
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    Utah is amusingly low on Trump in pollings in spite of being deep red. But that's just how much Mormons hate Trump, not that they're leaning left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey King View Post
    Utah is amusingly low on Trump in pollings in spite of being deep red. But that's just how much Mormons hate Trump, not that they're leaning left.
    Yeah it's not so much if they flip, they flip forever, they sure won't but it just would be really funny if Trump loses there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey King View Post
    He can't shut something down that the government has no control of in the first place just by saying so. This isn't like borders, customs services, and so on where he in charge of the systems in question regardless of legality of commands.
    If he really wanted to, he could order a series of DDOS attacks on Twitter's servers and force them offline that way.
    It's completely possible.

    I think there are probably other tools in the president's closet that we don't know about or don't fully understand, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboBlue View Post
    If he really wanted to, he could order a series of DDOS attacks on Twitter's servers and force them offline that way.
    It's completely possible.
    Yes that's in line with trying to order them shut down, I'm sure presidential DDOS attacks would truly be legally binding states of service until the courts sort things out.

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    So, what about all the other countries that use twitter? They just sit around and let America dick with things again?

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    I'm not quite sure how that would work. It could be possible to halt Twitter updates from people who are registered in the US but let the rest of the world keep twittering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey King View Post
    Utah is amusingly low on Trump in pollings in spite of being deep red. But that's just how much Mormons hate Trump, not that they're leaning left.
    I'll take it.

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    Trump has officially signed an executive order to limit social media:
    https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/86393...edia-companies

    Legal experts point out, however, that unless Congress passes it into an actual law, it's not legally binding.

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    Yeah but its a day people didn't spend talking about 100,000 deaths and 40 million unemployed, so its a win for Trump.
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    Probably not the best idea to mess around with Twitter people while everyone is at home spending their time on the internet.

    Come to think of it, during quarantine, pretty much everyone went home to play videogames, and there's been like zero mass shootings since then. Uhmmmm

    Can some Media point that out pls!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monquito View Post
    and there's been like zero mass shootings since then. Uhmmmm
    Not exactly.

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    https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2020/05/28/day-1225/

    Day 1225: "Big action."


    1/ 2.1 million more Americans filed for first-time unemployment benefits last week. Nearly 41 million people have filed for unemployment benefits since the coronavirus pandemic started in mid-March — the equivalent of one out of every four American workers. The pandemic has resulted in a national unemployment rate exceeding 14% – the highest rate since the Great Depression. This is the eighth week in a row, however, that new jobless claims have continued to fall from their peak of around 6.9 million. (New York Times / CNBC / Washington Post)
    2/ The Trump administration will not release updated economic projections this summer, which are expected to show the country in a severe economic downturn as a result of the coronavirus pandemic. White House officials are supposed to release a federal budget proposal every February, and they usually follow that up with a “mid-session review” in either July or August that includes updated projections on economic trends such as unemployment, inflation, and economic growth. No other administration has failed to provide economic forecasts in its mid-session review since at least the 1970s. “It gets them off the hook for having to say what the economic outlook looks like,” said a former director of the Congressional Budget Office. (Washington Post)
    • The U.S. economy shrank at an annual rate of 5% in the first quarter – the biggest quarterly decline in more than a decade. (Politico)
    • Around 110 publicly traded companies each received $4 million or more in emergency aid from the Paycheck Protection Program. Of those subject to taxes, 12 of the companies used offshore accounts to cut their tax bills. These 12 companies also received more than $104 million in loans from U.S. taxpayers, and seven of them paid no U.S. tax at all for the past year. (Reuters)
    3/ Trump signed an executive order seeking to limit the legal protections that shield social media companies from liability for the content users post on their platforms. The order seeks to make it easier for federal regulators to argue that companies like Facebook, Google, YouTube, and Twitter are suppressing free speech when they suspend users or delete posts, among other examples. “Big Tech is doing everything in their very considerable power to CENSOR in advance of the 2020 Election,” Trump tweeted late Wednesday after Twitter applied a fact-checking notice to his tweets about voter fraud. Trump, an attempt to portray the order as an attempt to stamp out political bias on social media platforms, announced on Twitter that “This will be a Big Day for social media and FAIRNESS!” The order directs the Commerce Department to petition the Federal Communications Commission to set up a rule-making proceeding to clarify the scope of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. The executive order is expected to draw immediate court challenges. (Washington Post / Axios / Wall Street Journal / New York Times / Bloomberg / CNN / The Verge / CNBC / ABC News / Politico /Yahoo News)
    • Twitter continued fact-checking posts even as Trump threatened to limit protections for social media companies. Twitter added fact-checking labels to messages from a spokesman for China’s foreign ministry, who had claimed that the coronavirus outbreak may have begun in the United States and been brought to China by the U.S. military. Twitter also added notices on hundreds of tweets alerting viewers that an image was “manipulated media.” (New York Times)
    • [ANALYSIS] Trump’s “big action” against social media companies rests on limited legal powers. His administration cannot rewrite the law that protects tech companies from many lawsuits. But a noisy fight with Silicon Valley could rally his base. (Politico)
    • [EARLIER] A draft of Trump’s executive order targeting social media companies was leaked to the press. The draft specifically targets Facebook, Twitter, and Google, as well as a section of U.S. law that says tech platforms can’t be held legally responsible for what their users post and gives them broad powers to police content on their sites. The draft order asks the FCC to reexamine whether altering or removing user content causes the platforms to forgo those protections afforded to them under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. Trump is expected to formally sign the order today after Twitter recently labeled two of his tweets about mail-in voting as “potentially misleading.” (New York Times / CNN / Business Insider / The Independent / Washington Post / Reuters)
    4/ Trump singled out a Twitter employee in a tweet complaining that Twitter’s decision to fact check his tweets about mail balloting could “taint” the U.S. election. Trump, in a tweet, shared the Twitter handle of the company’s “Head of Site Integrity,” Yoel Roth, who co-wrote a May 11 blog post explaining how the platform would handled misleading information moving forward. “So ridiculous to see Twitter trying to make the case that Mail-In Ballots are not subject to FRAUD,” Trump tweeted. “How stupid, there are examples, & cases, all over the place. Our election process will become badly tainted & a laughingstock all over the World.” Trump then directed his 80 million Twitter followers to “tell that to your hater.” Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey responded, tweeting “there is someone ultimately accountable for our actions as a company, and that’s me. Please leave our employees out of this.” (Bloomberg / CNBC)

    Notables.
    1. The Trump administration will extend the federal deployment of more than 40,000 National Guard troops aiding coronavirus relief efforts, reversing plans to terminate the deployment one day before thousands of Guard members would have qualified for key retirement and education benefits. (Politico)
    2. Trump’s signed coronavirus post card cost the U.S. Postal Service $28 million. The cards cost $4.6 million to print and $28 million overall. (USA Today)
    3. Pence’s chief of staff owns between $506,043 and $1.64 million worth of individual stocks in companies related to the Trump administration’s pandemic response. Marc Short declared at least some of his stock holdings as potential conflicts of interest after he joined Pence’s office last year. He did not, however, divest those holdings. (NPR)
    4. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham urged senior federal judges to step aside so that Republicans can fill the vacancies now. “This is an historic opportunity,” Graham said. “We’ve put over 200 federal judges on the bench. . . . If you can get four more years, I mean, it would change the judiciary for several generations. So if you’re a circuit judge in your mid-60s, late 60s, you can take senior status, now would be a good time to do that, if you want to make sure the judiciary is right of center.” (Washington Post)
    5. The National Security Agency warned that a Russian hacking operation is engaged in an ongoing campaign. The NSA said the hacking activity was tied directly to the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence agency. The security alert describes how the GRU is targeting a vulnerability in unpatched Unix-based operating systems. It does not specify who it has seen targeted. (Reuters / NBC News)
    Also, stuff is going down in Minneapolis. I'm not entirely clear on it but protests over the announcement that police were not going to be charged in a shooting that video showed was unprovoked has more or less become a riot.

    https://twitter.com/nickwoltman/status/1266207154987556866

    According to this link:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/mtracey/s...06583228432389 - "Protesters/rioters have successfully invaded the Third Precinct police building in Minneapolis and are lighting it on fire"

    https://twitter.com/Seth_Kaplan/stat...14898171772930 - The fire at the MPD’s 3rd Precinct was only at one corner 5 minutes ago. It’s now spread across the entire building. With no firefighters on scene... that building will likely be destroyed tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    Also, stuff is going down in Minneapolis. I'm not entirely clear on it but protests over the announcement that police were not going to be charged in a shooting that video showed was unprovoked has more or less become a riot.
    It wasn't a shooting. It was a policeman murdering George Floyd by kneeling on his neck for several minutes while the other cops watched. The policemen were fired but I guess they won't be charged.
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    Fun fact, same murdering cop ALSO murdered another guy a few years back and got away with it. SO yeah.
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    Here's a more detailed story on events in Minneapolis:

    Minneapolis police precinct burns as protests rage on – Gov. Tim Walz activated the state's National Guard and lawmakers pleaded for peace as protests and looting continued in the Minneapolis and St. Paul area.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...floyd-n1216881

    Related: Twitter: Trump's Minnesota tweet violated rules on violence – The move heightens tensions between Twitter and the President.

    https://www.axios.com/twitter-trumps...95f0f2986.html

    Amy Klobuchar didn't prosecute officer at center of George Floyd's death

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/91692...e-floyds-death

    George Floyd's death in police custody is renewing criticism of Sen. Amy Klobuchar's (D-Minn.) prosecutorial record.

    Before she became a senator and a top contender for former Vice President Joe Biden's vice presidential spot, Klobuchar spent eight years as the Hennepin County attorney, in charge of prosecution for Minneapolis. And while in that position, Klobuchar declined to prosecute multiple police officers cited for excessive force, and did not prosecute the officer who kneeled on Floyd's neck as he protested, The Guardian reports.

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    CNN news crew arrested by Minneapolis PD on LIVE TV.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...EcXtd0NwIY92O4

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1266315401312514048
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1266325567575654400

    Black reporter arrested while white reporter a block away reports.
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    Well i guess they rather have their police station on fire than place that guy under arrest

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgamer82 View Post
    Here's a more detailed story on events in Minneapolis:

    Related: Twitter: Trump's Minnesota tweet violated rules on violence – The move heightens tensions between Twitter and the President.

    https://www.axios.com/twitter-trumps...95f0f2986.html
    I saw this tweet, and apparently after getting moderated Trump just had it posted on the official White House twitter later.

    Today is the day that the President turned the White House twitter into one of his alt accounts. It's weird and sad.

    Edit: Oh, and twitter moderated that tweet on the White House twitter too. So...yeah Trump's basically in a flame war with online moderators now, and his administration is part of it. That usually ends with getting banned but we'll see.

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    It's very telling that the four pigs who murdered George Floyd still haven't been arrested.

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