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    I am worried even if Trump loses the election, he'd refuse to stand down...and somehow gets away with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiolino View Post
    Meanwhile, this is what the GOP has done with checks and balances over the last 30 years:

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    I am worried even if Trump loses the election, he'd refuse to stand down...and somehow gets away with it.
    Impossible. Can’t happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny B. Decent View Post
    I am worried even if Trump loses the election, he'd refuse to stand down...and somehow gets away with it.
    Nope. The security people aren't loyal to *him*. He'll get his ass dragged out if he refuses.

    I do worry about what he does between November and January though. Given the complete meltdown he's having *now*... I am honestly scared that he'll try to launch vengeance nukes.
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    Can someone elaborate how and in what world such claim be made?
    https://twitter.com/maxdubler/status...182387202?s=20

    He's basically saying that the protesters are guilty of the dead of the man that incited the protests in the first place. IS this a bootstrap time travel paradox? Have we entered the Twilight Zone?




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    Is fascinating that at the same time americans authorities call anti fascist movements fascists, brazilan authorities ( read as Bolsonaro clan and his cronies) defend manifestations pro executive government and calling for a military coup but call people manifesting pro democracy fascists.
    Well, it's probably connected to both presidents being far right conservatives with authoritarian tendencies and massive egos.




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    I missed it until late last night but https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/ did a report for Sunday as well as today. Apologies if anything here's come up already as a result, but this way it's all in one place:

    Day 1228: American carnage

    1/ Police nationwide responded to protests against police violence by deliberately targeting demonstrators, journalists, and bystanders with pepper spray, tear gas, rubber bullets, and excessive use of force. The ongoing protests following the killing of George Floyd by a white police officer – who knelt on Floyd’s neck for more than eight minutes – have taken place in at least 75 cities, including at the gates of the White House, in the days since Floyd’s death in Minneapolis. The officer, Derek Chauvin, has since been fired, arrested, and charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter. Since then, police have tear-gassed protesters, drove vehicles through crowds, opened fire with rounds of rubber bullets and pepper balls on journalists and bystanders, pushed over an elderly man with a cane who was walking away, shot a woman in the face with a rubber bullet as she left a grocery store, and shot a photojournalist in the eye with a rubber bullet, who is now permanently blind. Curfews have been enacted in more than two dozen cities, and about 5,000 National Guard troops have been activated in 15 states and the District of Columbia. Organizers have tried to keep the protests focused on police accountability and social justice through chanting and marching, but agitators, posing as peaceful protesters, have exploited the situation by looting stores, setting fire to buildings and police cars, and throwing firecrackers, bottles, bleach, and, reportedly, a molotov cocktail at police. Some advisers, meanwhile, have urged Trump to formally address the nation and call for calm, while others have said he should condemn only the looting or risk losing middle-of-the-road voters in November. The White House, however, declared a lid, which means no one should expect to see or hear from Trump for the rest of the day. (Slate / Nick Waters / Vox / Washington Post / New York Times / Washington Post / CNN / The Week)2/ Trump reacted to the protests and incidents of vandalism by threatening demonstrators with “vicious dogs” and “ominous weapons.” He previously suggested that looters in Minneapolis would be shot, referred to protesters as “thugs,” and prepared the Pentagon to use military force against American citizens. In a series of Saturday tweets, Trump accused demonstrators who gathered at the White House of being “professionally managed so-called ‘protesters’” and suggested that his supporters should confront them, saying: “Tonight, I understand, is MAGA NIGHT AT THE WHITE HOUSE???” When asked if he was stoking racial divisions by calling for a counter-protest, Trump replied: “No, not at all. MAGA is make America great again. These are people that love our country. I have no idea if they’re going to be here. I was just asking. … By the way, they love African-American people. They love black people. MAGA loves the black people.” (NBC News / Politico / Bloomberg / New York Times / ABC News / CBS News / Washington Post)
    3/ Meanwhile, more than 100,000 Americans have lost their lives, and another 40 million their livelihoods, amid the coronavirus pandemic.

    👑 Portrait of a President.

    1. Trump confronts a culture war of his own making as election looms. The president and his top allies are trying to fit his election-year interests in black voters into a political career filled with encouragements of police power. (Politico)
    2. Trump Is Terrified of Protest. Violent demonstrations across the United States bring out a particular weakness in the 45th president. (The Atlantic)
    3. In Days of Discord, a President Fans the Flames. Trump has presented himself as someone who seeks conflict, not conciliation, a fighter, not a peacemaker. And he has lived up to his self-image at a perilous time. (New York Times)
    4. America is at low ebb, shaken by multiple blows, and Trump adds to the distress. Trump has spewed division with ill-chosen tweets about looting and “shooting” or “vicious dogs” and overpowering weapons. He has attacked Democratic leaders as their communities burn. He flails rather than leads, his instincts all wrong for what confronts the country. (Washington Post)
    5. Trump has sown hatred of the press for years. Now journalists are under assault from police and protesters alike. But the seeds of that long day were planted years ago: The press has been attacked and disparaged by politicians for decades, whenever they found it served their purposes to slap around the “nattering nabobs of negativism” as Richard Nixon’s vice president, Spiro Agnew, once put it. (Washington Post)
    6. Twitter Had Been Drawing a Line for Months When Trump Crossed It. Inside the company, one faction wanted Jack Dorsey, Twitter’s chief, to take a hard line against the president’s tweets while another urged him to remain hands-off. (New York Times)
    7. Inside Twitter’s Decision to Take Action on Trump’s Tweets. A weeks-old policy about virus misinformation laid the groundwork for the social platform’s steps this past week to push back on the president’s posts. (Wall Street Journal)

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    Day 1229: Bunker boy.

    • 😷 Dept. of We Have It Totally Under Control.

    • Global: Total confirmed cases ~6,230,000; Total deaths: ~374,000; Total recoveries: ~2,673,000. (Johns Hopkins University)
    • U.S.: Total confirmed cases ~1,800,000; Total deaths: ~105,000; Total recoveries: ~445,000
    • [Promising news] The coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, top Italian doctor says. (Reuters)
    • [Bad news] Florida’s seen a “statistically significant” uptick in the number of pneumonia and influenza deaths. The CDC said it’s likely COVID-19. (Daily Beast)
    • [Bad news] Public health and government officials warned that the ongoing protests against police brutality could lead to a new wave of coronavirus infections. The new cases could add to the already disproportionate burden the disease has had on African-American and Latino populations. (Washington Post / Wall Street Journal)
    • [Interesting theory] Coronavirus May Be a Blood Vessel Disease, Which Explains Everything. 40% of deaths from COVID-19 are related to cardiovascular complications, and the disease starts to look like a vascular infection instead of a purely respiratory one. (Elemental)
    • 👑 Portrait of a president.

    • While Trump shelters in the White House, America cries out for leadership. Under siege in the White House, Trump is aggravating America’s latest racial anguish in a nation now simultaneously beset by violence-wracked cities, a deadly disease, and staggering economic deprivation. (CNN)
    • As Protests and Violence Spill Over, Trump Shrinks Back. Trump spent Sunday out of sight, berating opponents on Twitter, even as some of his campaign advisers were recommending that he deliver a televised address to the nation. (New York Times)

    1/ After a weekend out of sight, Trump emerged from the White House bunker and called America’s governors “weak” and demanded that they “dominate” the protesters, which he labeled “terrorists.” Trump asked “Why aren’t you prosecuting them?” while demanding “retribution.” He warned governors that they’d look like “a bunch of jerks” if they didn’t send the protesters to “jail for long periods of time.” Otherwise, Trump added, “you’re wasting your time.” Trump, who has not formally addressed the nation since the protests began, continued: “you have to use the military […] we have a wonderful military,” adding that they would look like “fools” if they didn’t take control of the situation. Trump also accused Minnesota of becoming “a laughingstock all over the world.” (New York Times / Washington Post / CNN / Wall Street Journal / CBS News)
    • Trump blamed the “Lamestream Media” for the protests, calling journalists “truly bad people with a sick agenda” after they were repeatedly targeted by police nationwide last weekend with pepper spray, tear gas, rubber bullets, and excessive use of force. (New York Times)
    2/ On Friday, Trump took shelter inside an underground bunker for nearly an hour as protests continued outside the White House and across Washington, D.C. Trump was abruptly taken by Secret Service agents inside the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, an underground bunker that is used to shelter presidents during threatening situations, like terrorist attacks. Trump and his family have reportedly been “shaken” by the experience and the size of the protests. (Associated Press / New York Times / CBS News)
    3/ The White House turned off almost all the exterior lights Sunday night as more than 1,000 people gathered to protest outside of its gates. It is unclear why the Trump administration decided to do so, but the White House insisted that there was “nothing new” about the lights-out incident, saying “lights go out at about 11 p.m. almost every night.” In normal times, however, the lights are only ever turned off when a president dies. Trump, meanwhile, from safely inside the White House had nothing to say other than to tweet for mayors and governors to “get tough” and that “The World is watching and laughing at you and Sleepy Joe.” (Vox / The Guardian /New York Magazine / Newsweek / Washington Post / Slate)
    4/ Trump tweeted that the U.S. would designate a group of anti-fascism activists as a terror organization, despite lacking the legal authority. Trump, his top officials, Attorney General William Barr, and national security adviser Robert O’Brien have all blamed antifa for the violent protests across the country. Antifa, however, is not an organization and does not have a leader, membership roles or any defined, centralized structure. Further, if antifa were a real organization, current law only permits the State Department to designate foreign organizations as terrorist groups. The U.S. does not have domestic terrorism statute. (Politico / New York Times / CNN)
    • Trump dismissed advice from numerous advisers both inside and outside the White House urging him to tone down his rhetoric and make a formal address to the nation. (Axios / NBC News)
    poll/ 54% of Americans support Twitter’s decision to add a fact-checking label to Trump’s tweets. 26% thought Twitter was wrong, while 20% have no opinion of the move. (Axios)

    ✏️ Notables.

    1. Trump will postpone next month’s G-7 summit at the White House after German Chancellor Angela Merkel declined his invitation to attend, citing the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. Trump responded by telling reporters on Air Force One that he feels the group is “very outdated” and doesn’t properly represent “what’s going on in the world. He said he plans to invite Russia, Australia, South Korea, and India. Russia was ejected from the group — previously the G8 — after its annexation of Crimea in 2014. (Politico / Associated Press / Politico)
    2. The Justice Department urged a federal Appeals Court to dismiss the prosecution of Michael Flynn. A lower-court judge has held up the dismissal, citing the Justice Department’s “unusual” reversal. (Politico)
    3. Transcripts show that Michael Flynn told Russia’s ambassador to Washington in late 2016 to take “reciprocal” actions in response to Obama administration sanctions for election interference, rather than escalating the situation into a “tit for tat.” (Politico)
    4. The top lawyer for the FBI was forced to resign by the Justice Department following criticism by Fox News for his role in the investigation of Michael Flynn. Dana Boente was asked to step down by senior officials at the DOJ. Boente was the one who signed off on a warrant in 2017 authorizing the FBI to conduct surveillance on Flynn. He also signed one of the reauthorizations to surveil Trump campaign associate Carter Page. Several of Trump’s supporters have recently gone on Fox News and other conservative media outlets to criticize Boente’s brief role in the Russia probe. Boente spent nearly 40 years at the FBI as its general counsel and a former acting attorney general. (The Guardian / CNN / Washington Post / NBC News / Associated Press)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis-1988 View Post
    Too many checks and balances in place for this to ever happen.
    "There's no way he beats Hillary"

    "He won't hurt the LGBT community"

    "They'll impeach him"

    "He can't do that, it's against the law"

    People keep saying this shit and it keeps not mattering because the people who are SUPPOSED to handle those checks and balances keep either refusing to act or, in the case of the GOP, actively impede them because they care more about party power than they do this country or even human decency.

    The fact that too many people don't want to realize is this country's eligible voters are made up of 40% apathetic dipshits who don't vote and never will, 30% party loyalists who actively WANT Trump to be in power, 15% different dipshits who want Trump to win because they've fooled themselves into believing if we hit rock bottom, a socialist revolution will rise up and kill capitalism leaving 15% of people who actually give enough of a shit to do get rid of him.

    and I was being EXTREMELY charitable on that 40%.

    I know I sound like Bill Paxton in Aliens right now, but I'm legitimately scared, tired and out of hope. I've been crying most of the night since Trump's stupid photo-op speech. I can't stop thinking about how bad this is going to get. Human lives are at stake because they dared to protest against other human lives being taken away.

    I'm not OK. This is not OK. and the number of people who genuinely seem to think this is fine sickens me.

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    If anything keeps me from voting, it will be anxiety not apathy. Well that and not having a valid I.d, but I don't think that stopped me last time. Can't remember.
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    Again, reminder as half the country burns and is near civil war, 3 of the 4 officers that murdered George Floyd still haven't even been charged.
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    I don't know if it's just me but whenever I see The D. post, it always seems like he/she is always angry all the time when they speak. This was probably due to the avatar more than anything xD

    Quote Originally Posted by Robby View Post
    I do worry about what he does between November and January though. Given the complete meltdown he's having *now*... I am honestly scared that he'll try to launch vengeance nukes.
    Can you explain more about the meltdown he is having? I'm confused at what you mean.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon Rin View Post
    "He won't hurt the LGBT community"
    But he never did that, and I'm part of the LGBT community being transgender male to female and bisexual/pansexual. The only thing he did was bar me from entering the military, which I see more of a restriction than a hurt. He didn't do anything else from what I know, but at the same time he did nothing to help. Otherwise gay marriage is still here and breathing with it not being struck down yet. So, I'm confused by this statement :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    But he never did that, and I'm part of the LGBT community being transgender male to female and bisexual/pansexual. The only thing he did was bar me from entering the military, which I see more of a restriction than a hurt. He didn't do anything else from what I know, but at the same time he did nothing to help. Otherwise gay marriage is still here and breathing with it not being struck down yet. So, I'm confused by this statement :/
    You said he "never" did it, and then went on to list a way in which he did. He and his administration have done a heck lot more than that, by the way. Do you not see that the Trump administration has been pushing the "right" for business and medical professionals to deny service/care to LGBT people? It's even been sent to the Supreme Court, which, Trump's administration has been pulling every single scummy method to stack so stuff like this will go through.

    The Trump administration is extremely dangerous to the LGBT community. Yes, we still have same-sex marriage, but there has always been much more to LGBT rights than marriage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Envy View Post
    You said he "never" did it, and then went on to list a way in which he did.
    I meant that as an exception, sorry for the confusion. But that exception I don't see as a "hurt." I don't feel hurt that I can't serve in the military because of who I am. Hope that clarifies things.

    He and his administration have done a heck lot more than that, by the way. Do you not see that the Trump administration has been pushing the "right" for business and medical professionals to deny service/care to LGBT people? It's even been sent to the Supreme Court, which, Trump's administration has been pulling every single scummy method to stack so stuff like this will go through.
    I don't really pay attention to the news much, so this is the first time hearing of this. But even the Trump administration is "pushing" it, does not mean it actually has been put into law? Did the Supreme Court reject it or not reject it? I really am clueless about this. I avoid the news, and only recently been skimming allsides.com. Otherwise I get my news from here or hear it from others. Hope this makes sense.

    The Trump administration is extremely dangerous to the LGBT community. Yes, we still have same-sex marriage, but there has always been much more to LGBT rights than marriage.
    I know about that, it was just an example. I know during the 2016 election the big thing was gay marriage on the Republican side, that's why I mentioned that. I just don't see how his administration is dangerous to me at all since I'm LGBT myself.

    I feel like they say things, but they don't really do them. Unless a law actually passes then I will have some worry like what happened in North Carolina and the whole bathroom thing. (Which I'm scared to go visit that state because of it, though not sure how mandated it is.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by starlalilymoon View Post
    I meant that as an exception, sorry for the confusion. But that exception I don't see as a "hurt." I don't feel hurt that I can't serve in the military because of who I am. Hope that clarifies things.
    Just because it doesn't hurt you doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt other transgender people, and I guarantee you it has.


    I don't really pay attention to the news much, so this is the first time hearing of this. But even the Trump administration is "pushing" it, does not mean it actually has been put into law? Did the Supreme Court reject it or not reject it? I really am clueless about this. I avoid the news, and only recently been skimming allsides.com. Otherwise I get my news from here or hear it from others. Hope this makes sense.

    I know about that, it was just an example. I know during the 2016 election the big thing was gay marriage on the Republican side, that's why I mentioned that. I just don't see how his administration is dangerous to me at all since I'm LGBT myself.

    I feel like they say things, but they don't really do them. Unless a law actually passes then I will have some worry like what happened in North Carolina and the whole bathroom thing. (Which I'm scared to go visit that state because of it, though not sure how mandated it is.)
    Someone who is transgender should be especially worried about this administration because the Trump administration has targeted the transgender community from the very beginning, and relentlessly so.

    Here's one article about the removal of protections for LGBT people in getting health care, and here's another link that lists out a timeline of the Trump administration's attacks in great detail.


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