General Devil Fruit Discussion

[murderedboy]

As soon as you start applying real world science to this or any other manga, you have lost the game.

[Vagrant Lustoid]

To be honest, I just think it'd be kind of cool to see Akainu do something like that, set up a trap to coat Croc in soda and glass him. I like traps and seeing ruthless bastards being proved to be smart ruthless bastards.

Also, I see no issue with using science to speculate. Worst that can happen is that it doesn't happen. In which case big deal, but it's still fun to speculate. Science gives you more options to speculate, not less. And that's where the entertainment lies in my opinion.

[murderedboy]

To be honest, I just think it'd be kind of cool to see Akainu do something like that, set up a trap to coat Croc in soda and glass him. I like traps and seeing ruthless bastards being proved to be smart ruthless bastards.

Also, I see no issue with using science to speculate. Worst that can happen is that it doesn't happen. In which case big deal, but it's still fun to speculate. Science gives you more options to speculate, not less. And that's where the entertainment lies in my opinion.

That is simply not true.

Science says there's gravity, manga says there's islands floating upside down in the sky in the new world. Science says clouds are not a thick material, manga says they make furniture out of clouds. More science you apply the more you restrict the imagination.

If any person had suggested either of those before the appeared in the manga, any person who applies science in these forums would have said "wtf, you idiot that's just stupid".

Although science is quite spectacular, don't get me wrong, it is just not the best tool for story telling.

[Vagrant Lustoid]

The reason I say it gives you more is because we know that Oda can and does ignore science at times but doesn't always. Rubber vs electricity is a basic sort of science. So with science you get 1) What could happen if science is applied or 2) what could happen if Oda ignores science.

I use the Croc/Akainu thing as an example. Without using science you could come to two probable assumptions: Akainu can melt Croc into glass, or Akainu couldn't do it. One or the other, depending on how Oda decides to take it. Using science as a supplementary source has provided me with an interesting third option, which though unlikely to happen is fun to think about anyway: Soda trap to lower the melting point. If you use science to build up further ideas to supplement unscientific ideas, you end up with a broader range. Restricting yourself to either "only science" or "only fantasy" to me limits the sources of inspiration you can draw from for speculation.

[Louis cypher]

There is this interesting genre you might want to take a look at... It's called science fiction, it might give you some ideas on this topic.

[Kokutou Yoru]

As we saw from this episode, he did stab him...but i don't believe WB used haki. We know WB has all 3 forms of haki, but because of his health, he couldn't use any of them. Squard's attack, him slicing Kizaru with his bisento and we know he has the intimidation one which he couldn't use to save Ace from being executed

that part hasn't happened yet.

Edit: I guess my comment got moved from the anime section

[Cymelion]

Ok here is a question.

If Vegapunk has discovered a way to make objects "eat" DF as shown in the series by the Dog Gun - and the Elephant Sword.
These were both Zoan type DF - my question is semi two fold.

Could a full body cloak be infused with a Logia DF?
Now as we know the abilities of a DF user extends to his clothing - could DF infused clothing extend to the wearer?

What I am getting at is does anyone think it would be possible to give a logia ability to the cloak - have a non DF person using the cloak getting full benefit of it's immunities but not its waterbased weakness?

[flandrian15]

My guess is that the answer is no. Like you said, all inamate object with devil fruit powers have been zoans. The reason for that is that an inamate object has no life, no will and no mind of its own. It can not act on it's own so having it eat a devil fruit like paramecia or logia would lead to nothing at all. Something has to live in order to enable it to activate and use devil fruit powers would be the most logical assumption. Seeing zoans actually make you become an animal this does work.
On an entirely different note, I think Bepo has the speach speach fruit or something amongst those lines. So that he is an actual bear but can speak the human language.

[Cymelion]

My guess is that the answer is no. Like you said, all inamate object with devil fruit powers have been zoans. The reason for that is that an inamate object has no life, no will and no mind of its own. It can not act on it's own so having it eat a devil fruit like paramecia or logia would lead to nothing at all. Something has to live in order to enable it to activate and use devil fruit powers would be the most logical assumption. Seeing zoans actually make you become an animal this does work.

Hmmm I can see your point - I'm sure there could be a way around it if someone desperately wanted it to be so but I'm trying to make an actual effort to scale back some of my enthusiasm for things in the manga - besides we don't even know how DF really work yet and apparently will not until Vegapunk makes his appearance.

On an entirely different note, I think Bepo has the speach speach fruit or something amongst those lines. So that he is an actual bear but can speak the human language.

Or he could be like Fishmen ergo a bearman - there may be a whole race of them (pandaman) But I don't know I guess we'll see when we find out a little more about Law and his crew.

[looking_at_you]

well inside devil fruits is a spirit the reason you can't eat more than 2 is because these spirits would fight each other inside the body destroying the user however blackbeard body probly either has 2 hearts or his darkness devil fruit stops the other one from using its power

[Urouge]

Ok here is a question.

If Vegapunk has discovered a way to make objects "eat" DF as shown in the series by the Dog Gun - and the Elephant Sword.
These were both Zoan type DF - my question is semi two fold.

Could a full body cloak be infused with a Logia DF?
Now as we know the abilities of a DF user extends to his clothing - could DF infused clothing extend to the wearer?

What I am getting at is does anyone think it would be possible to give a logia ability to the cloak - have a non DF person using the cloak getting full benefit of it's immunities but not its waterbased weakness?

I believe it's only a matter of time before we see an object that ate another kind of fruit. I envision something along the lines of Aum/Ohm's cloud sword. How it's controlled makes no sense, but that's not the point.

[Louis cypher]

Hmmm I always figured that's the reason we only have seen Zoan infused objects, because it gives them a consciousness that allows them to be controlled and that we never will see any other kind of ability infused into an object.

I wonder though, when you give an object a DF does that mean that you have lost that DF permanently? No two people, or things, one would assume, can have the same DF at the same time. Normally when someone eats a DF they eventually die and the fruit somehow become available again, however objects don't really die, do they?

[blue-san]

My thoughts are the same. Only Zoan Devil fruits can be imbued within an object.

[SingingThroughTheStorm]

What if the object is destroyed? What if the elephant sword
was in elephant form, and fell in the ocean?

[Louis cypher]

*shrug* that's what I was asking all of you...

[blue-san]

I figure same poo as with the regular DF user

1) the elephant would be unable to swim and sink

2) if destroyed = same as if a df user is destroyed/killed

[Oksa]

Does anyone else think that the elephant fruit was wasted? I'd like to have seen an elephant man, but what we got was an elephant sword used by Spandam, who couldn't show its true potential. Well, I hope we'll get to see lion, gorilla or crocodile fruit that isn't given to a weapon. Those are probably the most interesting ones among the regular Zoan fruits.

[Muah]

That is simply not true.

Science says there's gravity, manga says there's islands floating upside down in the sky in the new world. Science says clouds are not a thick material, manga says they make furniture out of clouds. More science you apply the more you restrict the imagination.

If any person had suggested either of those before the appeared in the manga, any person who applies science in these forums would have said "wtf, you idiot that's just stupid".

Although science is quite spectacular, don't get me wrong, it is just not the best tool for story telling.

Science only ever leads to more questions. Therefore more to imagine.

[flandrian15]

Does anyone else think that the elephant fruit was wasted? I'd like to have seen an elephant man, but what we got was an elephant sword used by Spandam, who couldn't show its true potential. Well, I hope we'll get to see lion, gorilla or crocodile fruit that isn't given to a weapon. Those are probably the most interesting ones among the regular Zoan fruits.

don't worry, we'll get a mammoth zoan sooner or later, mark my words. . .
and a sloth zoan
and a sabre tooth tiger zoan, in the same crew of course.

It's the only way I can even remotely understand why those beings could talk in Ice Age so they have to be shown

[2xN]

I never said i was 100% right and everyone was wrong. I'm just expressin a theory, i believe it to be correct based on my own understanding./
And whats ur problem with me doin "..."?

You never explicitly said you were right, but you said it with the same absoluteness as someone who thinks they're entirely right.
And the multiple ellipses, to me at least, just represents a real lack of confidence. I can only imagine the voice of the person typing it to have a wavering, droning voice