Japanese language

[DarthAsthma]

It wasn't meant to be demeaning it's sexist just on the other side of the spectrum.
Where some words with the woman radical have negative connotations some with the man radical have positive ones. It makes you think about what kind of people might have devised these kanjis.

[Gliblord]

The kanji for "rape" (goukan) is really bad

姦

Actually, by itself that character just means "cunning and wicked," apparently, the compound for goukan is 強姦

[Cyclone_Baroness]

Didn't one piece have that joke about kintama when Luffy was trying to explain to the Amazons what his balls were?

I feel I really need to sit down and actually start studying Japanese again. It's hard to find the time lately though. Is there a good program or method for trying to get studying in if yo're pretty busy all day?

[DarthAsthma]

Didn't one piece have that joke about kintama when Luffy was trying to explain to the Amazons what his balls were?

I feel I really need to sit down and actually start studying Japanese again. It's hard to find the time lately though. Is there a good program or method for trying to get studying in if yo're pretty busy all day?

Well for Kanji if you have a smartphone get anki(or any other flashcard program) on it and a few decks do them when you have 5-10 minutes free with not doing anything.

[captain usopp]

It wasn't meant to be demeaning it's sexist just on the other side of the spectrum.
Where some words with the woman radical have negative connotations some with the man radical have positive ones. It makes you think about what kind of people might have devised these kanjis.

ah i see what your doing. that's not what i wanted though. i'm all about being fair. If they're gonna be all like that with the women kanji, then I want some sour men kanji. :P

the tanuki thing was cool.

[Gliblord]

[DarthAsthma]

http://www.renshuu.org/index.php?pag...54cbd6f657d898

The thing that happens when you research Kanji with seem to have the same meaning......
so annoying...

[SaiyaJedi]

There's a lot of that in Japanese, and a lot of it is subtle nuance that not even native speakers get.

It's like how the verb "hiku" also has different forms depending on the specific kind of "pulling" you're doing.

There's 引く - to pull in the generic sense, but then there's all the senses below:

• 弾く - pluck strings (of a bow, or stringed instrument); also works even if you don't directly touch the strings, e.g. piano
• 惹く、魅く - to attract or lure in
• 牽く、曳く- to haul or drag along behind you, as in a train locomotive (牽, e.g. 牽引) or danjiri cart, canal barge (曳き舟)
• 退く - to pull away, as in an ebb tide, or to be offended (i.e., recoiling in disgust; usually written in katakana)
• 抽く - to pull out, as in a drawer (抽き出し、抽斗) or lottery drawing (籤抽き, cf. 抽籤, semi-officially miswritten as the bastardized 抽選)

There's also a second sense of "to pulverize":

• 挽く - to grind into bits, e.g. coffee beans (挽きたて豆) or meat (挽き肉、粗挽きソーセージ)
• 碾く - to mill grain into flour, e.g. using a mortar and pestle
• 轢く - to hit/run over (with a vehicle): 轢き逃げ事件

It's great fun to quiz your Japanese friends with, because they're guaranteed not to know more than half of those unless they're shown in advance (in which case there may be some dim recognition of perhaps 60-75%).

[captain usopp]

wow. @_@

hey, seya, i don't know you too well. are you native japanese or you just really smart? or did you just pull this all up from somewhere? you seem to know a great deal about japanese.

[KaizokuJinbei]

wow. @_@

hey, seya, i don't know you too well. are you native japanese or you just really smart? or did you just pull this all up from somewhere? you seem to know a great deal about japanese.

Well Saiya's location (shown under her avatar) says he is in Osaka, Japan so Saiya is atleast a resident of Japan.

And ur right Saiya does seem to have some advanced knowledge of the Japanese maybe I should have him teach me some lol.

[Gliblord]

The "dupes" (as in duplicates) section of the Kanji Damage site is invaluable for parsing all these

http://kanjidamage.com/appendix/dupes

[DarthAsthma]

@SaiyaJedi

Yeah I've noticed that such knowledge isn't necessarily common. I've asked some of the few native japanese people I know about those nuances and often they either didn't know or just knew by feeling what to use but coudn't explain it.

I'm very peculiar if it comes to these nuances not sure if that's a good or a bad thing but I really dislike misusing the wrong Kanji.

@gliblord thx for the site it's really invaluable!

I've encountered a Kanji that I can't seem to find anywhere it consists of the radicals 口　and 尊. The square is written on the left side of it I've found it in a compound with 話(the compound ending with it) if that helps. If necessary I can draw the sign/compound.

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The whole sentence looks like that

[Steven D. Teach]

The whole sentence looks like that

http://i47.tinypic.com/dctsud.jpg

The kanji is　噂話（うわさばなし）. Rumors, gossip, etc. So something close to "I can hear gossip/rumors from the people around me" or anything like that.

[DarthAsthma]

Thanks a lot! This one drove me crazy. I seriously don't now why jisho.org didn't want to display this one even though I selected the right radicals. I've even tried to find it per stroke number.

[DarthAsthma]

Does someone know how knowledgeable the average japanese is about 謙譲語　and　尊敬語.

[Monkey King]

The kanji is　噂話（うわさばなし）. Rumors, gossip, etc. So something close to "I can hear gossip/rumors from the people around me" or anything like that.

I imagine all your posts being said by McNulty lol, so this one is all haha.

[SaiyaJedi]

Does someone know how knowledgeable the average japanese is about 謙譲語　and　尊敬語.

If they're fairly well educated, they may be able to use it in the appropriate context, though it's far less common in practice than it used to be. Railway announcements in particular have gone from using things like 列車が参ります to 列車が来ます in recent years, though it varies quite a bit by company. People in part-time positions often get stuck with something called "manual keigo", which is all kinds of bad. Young people in particular absorb the manual-keigo without knowing any better, screwing up their native-language proficiency. Honorific/humble speech is still a vital part of the language to learn, however.

[CCC]

What about your typical salaryman? I was always under the impression that half of your average office job is knowing just how to say what to whom.
Would I have to do some serious keigo study if I ever hoped to get a real job here?

And although I never knew it had a name, that manual keigo stuff really grinds my gears. My buddy and I make it a challenge to see how far we can get restaurant employees to deviate from their absurd scripts and actually say something that sounds human. Like... by asking for their personal menu suggestion (as opposed to the osusume of the day).

[CaptainKid]

Is this the thread for when I start my Japanese classes I come to get all the answers for my homework? :D Btw how do people type kanji on their keyboard?

[DarthAsthma]

Is this the thread for when I start my Japanese classes I come to get all the answers for my homework? :D Btw how do people type kanji on their keyboard?

Hope this helps http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...0-f2414d0879f7

Dunno about your homework though ;) I have a big list of Kanji duplicates though :D which you can maybe show your teacher :P